Re: [radext] *[AD] Re: AUTH48 [LB]: RFC 8044 <draft-ietf-radext-datatypes-08.txt> NOW AVAILABLE

Lynne Bartholomew <lbartholomew@amsl.com> Fri, 20 January 2017 22:47 UTC

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Subject: Re: [radext] *[AD] Re: AUTH48 [LB]: RFC 8044 <draft-ietf-radext-datatypes-08.txt> NOW AVAILABLE
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Dear Kathleen,

Sending this email to your Dell address, in case the Gmail address is no longer correct.

RFC Editor/lb

On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:46 PM, Lynne Bartholomew <lbartholomew@amsl.com> wrote:

> Dear *Kathleen,
> 
> We do not believe that we have heard from you regarding our question below.  Please review, and let us know how this document should be updated.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> RFC Editor/lb
> 
> 
> On Jan 13, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Lynne Bartholomew <lbartholomew@amsl.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dear Kathleen,
>> 
>> Thank you for the email.
>> 
>> It is not clear to us how best to update this document.  Would the following be correct?
>> 
>> OLD:
>> Updates: 2865, 3162, 6158, 6572
>> 
>> NEW:
>> Updates: 2865, 3162, 4072, 6158, 6572, 7268
>> 
>> 
>> OLD:
>> This document updates RFCs 2865, 3162, 6158, and 6572.
>> 
>> NEW:
>> This document updates RFCs 2865, 3162, 4072, 6158, 6572, and 7268.
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> RFC Editor/lb
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 13, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I think we have agreement to continue moving forward, just noting the 'updates' since it is not a significant update.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Kathleen
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Data types do not affect what is actually sent on the wire, they just make it easier for a RADIUS server to add support for an attribute without custom code. So the datatypes draft does not create a deployment blocker or backward compatibility issue, it actually may make implementation easier. 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2017, at 8:43 AM, Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Adding the IESG and the working group to see if there are any concerns with the following approach... inline
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Alan DeKok <aland@freeradius.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> > > > a) RFCs 4072 and 7268 are not cited anywhere in this document.
>>>> > > > Please let us know where they should be cited; otherwise, the
>>>> > > > listings will be removed.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > The RFCs are referenced simply because this document is updating
>>>> > > attributes that they define.
>>>> >
>>>> > Can you please list the specific updates from the 2 mentioned RFCs here and then I'll figure out if this needs to go back through the WG and last calls or not.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xhtml#radius-types-2
>>>> 
>>>>   RFC 4072 defines EAP-Key-Name.  It's in the RADIUS space, but t's defined to have a Diameter data type "OctetString".   We can't use "OctetString" for a RADIUS data types, so the "data types" document defines it as the RADIUS data type "string". Which ends up being the same for all intents and purposes.
>>>> 
>>>>   RFC 7268 defines a bunch of attributes.  Most are of 32-bit integers, which maps well to the data types doc.  The only real "new" thing is EAPoL-Announcement.  It's defined manually in RFC 7268 as "concatenate the fragments together before looking at it".  The data types doc calls this out as a special data type "concat", along with EAP-Message, and a few others.
>>>> 
>>>>   I think everyone is in agreement as to what the data types should be.  The "updates RFC 4072 / 7268" note is really saying "RFC 4072 / 7268 talks about this attribute, but doesn't really give an adequate definition for it.  So the data types document picks something, which is compatible with the original definition, but uses a now-standard data type"
>>>> 
>>>>   i.e. the original spec isn't so much wrong, as unclear and incomplete.
>>>> 
>>>> This seems like a small enough 'updates' that I think it should be fine to progress just adding the note that RFC4072 and RFC7268 are updated.
>>>> 
>>>> Any objections?  The alternative would be to put this back through the last call process, but I think this looks small enough to avoid that.  It would really just be for process sake IMO.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   Alan DeKok.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Kathleen
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>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Kathleen
>> 
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