Re: [RADIR] finishing the problem statement

Jason Schiller <> Mon, 09 March 2009 21:06 UTC

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I'm ok with the new boiler plate...  looking over the new text now.


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On Mon, 9 Mar 2009, Thomas Narten wrote:

> Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:07:18 -0400
> From: Thomas Narten <>
> To:
> Subject: [RADIR] finishing the problem statement
> We are a bit overdue on revising the problem statement and getting it
> out...
> I spoke with Olaf a while back and he seemed to think that much of the
> initial excitement about the topic had died down again, and anyway RRG
> is where the work is actually happening. So he is inclined to see the
> document shipped and close the directorate. However, the current
> problem statement (as we have discussed amongst  ourselves) does not
> have any sort of broad concensus, so it couldn't get any sort of
> official blessing. If we were to ask for publication now, we'd
> likely be told to publish it as individual submission.
> As we've discussed before, Olaf has said the pressures on routing
> section had good stuff, but that the business section in particular
> was problematic. We've had past discussions about that together with
> some suggestions for improvements.
> I would like to get this document published as an informational RFC,
> but one with IETF blessing/support. That means we have to get folk
> familiar with this space to support publication of our document.
> I spent some time going over the document in January, reviewed our
> previous discussions and made a number of changes. I then didn't
> followup and close the loop and get back to this list.
> One thing that of course happens when one re-reads a document after 6
> months is that one sees all sorts of things that should be tweaked.
> Rather than try to do an issue by issue review, I've just gone ahead
> and revised the document; I'll send it (and diffs) in separate messages.
> The ID cutoff is today (7PM West Coast Time). I'd like to go ahead and
> post the revised document, but if anyone thinks I should not (whether
> on principle -- because you want to review more carefully first, or
> because you have specific issues with the revision), please speak
> up. I plan to post unless I get a "no". (I don't have plans to have
> the document discussed in SF, so it is not critical that it get posted
> today).
> Finally, I've used the following boilerplate:
>    This Internet-Draft is submitted to IETF in full conformance with the
>    provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79.  This document may contain material
>    from IETF Documents or IETF Contributions published or made publicly
>    available before November 10, 2008.  The person(s) controlling the
>    copyright in some of this material may not have granted the IETF
>    Trust the right to allow modifications of such material outside the
>    IETF Standards Process.  Without obtaining an adequate license from
>    the person(s) controlling the copyright in such materials, this
>    document may not be modified outside the IETF Standards Process, and
>    derivative works of it may not be created outside the IETF Standards
>    Process, except to format it for publication as an RFC or to
>    translate it into languages other than English.
> I assume that we are all OK with submitting under the updated
> boilerplate that grants full rights to the IETF trust, but the
> document can't say that until I get explicite confirmation from each
> of us on that point.
> Thomas
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