Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effectively
Mary Barnes <mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com> Wed, 19 June 2013 14:35 UTC
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I like Brian's suggestion as one of the big issues here is that we have debated some of these issues for eons so it would be good to set a deadline. I would strongly suggest that a WG chair that has a vested interest in a particular proposal (i.e., as an author or perhaps even with colleagues as co-authors) should NOT be one of the WG chairs for this joint activity. Thanks for raising this issue. Mary. On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Brian Rosen <br@brianrosen.net> wrote: > Suppose we treated this as a mini-WG > 1. The chairs and ADs work out a charter, with a limited WG time period to discuss. No IESG participation. > 2. One chair is appointed from among the affected WG chairs > 3. A new email list is created > 4. Discussion is held during one of the WG meeting slots. It can alternate perhaps between the affected groups. The mini-group doesn't get a slot, but of course it may result in a WG asking for two slots for a particular meeting. > 5. If there are cross AD issues, one AD is selected > > Put a cap on this effort, and make it short - 2 meeting cycles maybe. If they can't agree, then most likely each of the WGs will need to come up with their own solutions. > The mini-WG milestone may not be a submitted draft, it could be a mature draft, that would be finished in one of the affected WGs. It could even be a general agreement on the solution, rather than an actual mature draft. At the end, the mail list is closed., further discussion if any happens in the WGs. > > Brian > On Jun 19, 2013, at 3:03 AM, Gonzalo Camarillo <Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com> wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> as you know, in the RAI area we have always considered having effective >> processes to help us produce relevant and timely specifications a very >> important issue. When our environment has changed, we have sometimes >> modified or fine tuned our processes in order to continue being >> effective. A few examples (among many others) of such changes were the >> introduction of mentors, the old SIPPING process, P headers, and the >> current DISPATCH process. >> >> It is time for us to look at the current state of affairs and discuss >> whether or not we need to do certain things in a different way. >> >> In particular, we currently have a few groups (e.g., RTCWeb and CLUE) >> that work on higher-level constructions, which use elements developed in >> other working groups. For example, CLUE could potentially specify a >> mechanism that used mechanisms developed in MMUSIC or AVTEXT such as the >> offer/answer model and a number of RTP extensions. >> >> Note that what we called "higher-level constructions" above are referred >> to by different names by different people: architectures, applications, >> frameworks, etc. It does not really matter how we call them because this >> discussion is not about terminology and it is fairly clear what this >> type of work is about. >> >> The way this type of work is currently done in RAI requires the >> high-level WGs and the WGs developing the individual pieces to >> communicate often. Those communications are not always easy, since >> different WGs sometimes have different views on priorities, >> requirements, use cases, etc. >> >> What we would like to get your feedback on is: do we need a better way >> to handle this type of work in RAI or our current process is as good as >> it gets? >> >> Note that we are interested in getting constructive feedback and ideas >> on how to improve things. Please, focus your feedback on those aspects. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Gonzalo >> (on behalf of both RAI ADs) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> RAI mailing list >> RAI@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rai > > _______________________________________________ > RAI mailing list > RAI@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rai
- [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effectively Gonzalo Camarillo
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Brian Rosen
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Mary Barnes
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… John Leslie
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Ben Campbell
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Mary Barnes
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Mary Barnes
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Michael Hammer
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Mary Barnes
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… SM
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Martin Thomson
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Martin Thomson
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Dale R. Worley
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Dale R. Worley
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [RAI] RAI processes for handling work effecti… Harald Alvestrand