Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL certs, DNS delegation etc.
Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Wed, 08 August 2007 18:08 UTC
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Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:08:33 +0200
From: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>
To: JFC Morfin <jefsey@jefsey.com>
Subject: Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL certs, DNS delegation etc.
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Hi, On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 02:02:51PM +0200, JFC Morfin wrote: > 1) Sounds to me like a 1920 AT&T director explaining that people did > not need a dedicated telephone number. This might have been true. You *want* to misunderstand me. So how much more do I need to write to explain realities about end users? Guess why IPv6 (with "dedicated networks of incredible size!!") wasn't a huge success with end users? Because they *don't care* about how the network works, and whether they have a static for dynamic IP address. (It's not like there are no ISPs trying to sell IPv6-capable access products. We do, and have done so since > 5 years. Hasn't been a tremendous success... real-world experience can be very frustrating at times). Please re-think my statement: there is different classes of "end users", undoubtedly, but closing your eyes before the reality that the *majority* of them is just not interested in "instant network mobility" or couldn't afford the occasional renumbering is just not true, and is not lending credibility to any conclusions ignoring that. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 113403 SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
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- [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL certs, D… Robin Whittle
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Thomas Narten
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Gert Doering
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Stig Venaas
- [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Robin Whittle
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Olivier Bonaventure
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Robin Whittle
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Gert Doering
- [RAM] "End-users" & things I think warrant more a… Robin Whittle
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… JFC Morfin
- [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … Gert Doering
- [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Gert Doering
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … JFC Morfin
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … Thomas Narten
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … Gert Doering
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … JFC Morfin
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … JFC Morfin
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … Roland Dobbins
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … JFC Morfin
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Jari Arkko