Re: [RAM] Number of DFZ routers - radical improvement of BGP unlikely

Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com> Thu, 06 September 2007 16:48 UTC

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From: Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com>
Subject: Re: [RAM] Number of DFZ routers - radical improvement of BGP unlikely
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 18:46:36 +0200
To: Robin Whittle <rw@firstpr.com.au>
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[Sorry to again reply many weeks later]

On 7-jul-2007, at 3:42, Robin Whittle wrote:

> I can't imagine any
> backwards-compatible upgrade or incrementally deployable
> replacement for BGP could achieve the radical improvements I was
> hoping for.

> Maybe someone else will have some great ideas for dramatically
> souping up BGP.  BGP solves some very difficult problems.  I can't
> think of any drastic improvements.

That's an interesting challenge. As the saying goes: given enough  
thrust, pigs fly just fine. The question is whether it would be  
easier to replace it. So far, I can't think of anyone else other than  
myself speaking out in favor of that, or even entertaining the  
question seriously.  :-)

Obviously a new protocol would have to be able to interact with BGP  
and be not much worse at talking BGP than a native speaker.

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