Re: [RAM] A curious Internet service offering
Iljitsch van Beijnum <iljitsch@muada.com> Thu, 03 January 2008 10:39 UTC
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Subject: Re: [RAM] A curious Internet service offering
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 11:38:13 +0100
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On 3 jan 2008, at 3:13, Brian E Carpenter wrote: >>> Interestingly, Vince Fuller has been predicting this >>> outcome for years. >> Which means that most everything ends up transported via or >> tunneled over TCP/80 and/or TCP/443 Does it? Do we really want to cripple our protocols just because a few ignorant service providers feel like filtering in a certain way? (Note though that inferior protocol selection already happens to some degree: RTSP isn't doing so well these days, more and more stuff is streamed over HTTP because RTSP is firewall and NAT unfriendly.) > This whole horror story points to what should be the *real* political > issue, rather than the so-called "net neutrality" nonsense. > IMHO more use should be made of the terminology in RFC 4084 secttion > 2. > In fact getting such terminology into consumer protection regulations > would be entirely appropriate. But that is way outside the IETF's > scope. What I'm afraid of is that we may end up in a situation where this is good enough for 95% of all people and in a market place with 1 - 3 players, nobody cares about that other 5%. On the other hand, if that anonymous service provider has competition, I'm sure they're going to notice that those attract people who like to actually _use_ their broadband by running peer-to-peer applications. For just port 80, you don't need 20 Mbps. And ISPs make a lot of extra money upselling to higher speeds, which don't cost them much extra but do make them a good bit of extra money (with the exception of those few 24/7 downloaders). _______________________________________________ RAM mailing list RAM@iab.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ram
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