Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points?
Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Thu, 10 May 2007 05:07 UTC
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David Conrad wrote: >>> I'll ask again: how does this ARP thing work again? >> First off, all the ARP implementations I know of queue the packet >> during the loopkup, i.e., no loss. > > That's what I thought, but folks have been saying that routers don't > queue anymore. Queuing is one thing. By some definition, we could probably say that routers are really all just fancy queues. But when the latency could be in the *seconds* for some destinations, that's no longer queuing. That's storage. That's NOT what routers do today. Also, please consider the problem in the aggregate when you bring a device into service. How many queries must it make? One? Tens? Hundreds? THOUSANDS? If the device sits on the PE or CE (for large CEs), that latter number may be what we're talking about. Eliot _______________________________________________ RAM mailing list RAM@iab.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ram
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