RE: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points?
Dave Thaler <dthaler@windows.microsoft.com> Tue, 08 May 2007 20:29 UTC
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Subject: RE: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points?
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From: Dave Thaler <dthaler@windows.microsoft.com>
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Right, my mistake. Yakov is fine ;-) -Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Yakov Rekhter [mailto:yakov@juniper.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:09 PM > To: Dave Thaler > Cc: Tony Li; Dino Farinacci; ram@iab.org > Subject: Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? > > Dave, > > > I disagree with Yakov for a completely different reason. > > Just for clarification, "Pull doesn't scale, Push doesn't scale, > pick one" is coming from Dino, not from myself. So, you disagree with Dino, > not with me. > > Yakov. > > > Pull scales, but is slow and can break apps as a result. > > Push *everything* doesn't scale. > > Push DOES scale as long as you don't push everything but only push > > log(N) > > stuff. > > > > So I disagree with "push doesn't scale" unless you define "push" as > > "push everything", in which case I disagree with "pick one". > > > > -Dave > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tony Li [mailto:tli@cisco.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:53 PM > > > To: Dino Farinacci > > > Cc: Dave Thaler; ram@iab.org > > > Subject: Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? > > > > > > > > > On May 8, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Dino Farinacci wrote: > > > > > > > For the last few months I have been sporting a new saying, inspired > > > > by our esteemed Yakov: > > > > > > > > "Pull doesn't scale, Push doesn't scale, pick one". ;-) > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, that's simply not true. Pull does scale. See DNS. > > > Perhaps a more accurate saying would be: > > > > > > "Push doesn't scale, pull is slow, pick one." > > > > > > As always, it's a time/space tradeoff. > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > Tony > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > RAM mailing list > > RAM@iab.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ram > > _______________________________________________ RAM mailing list RAM@iab.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ram
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