Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points?
Dino Farinacci <dino@cisco.com> Tue, 08 May 2007 19:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points?
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> PULL: work on-demand (which results in deterministic loss and hence > adversely affects applications) and cache the result for some time > > PUSH: learn enough information (which may or may not be everything) > ahead of time so that one has enough information to immediately > forward > a packet when it arrives. It would be desirable to learn log(N) > information (and everyone may not learn the same information). > > Flooding everything is a type of PUSH, and has scalability issues. > DHTs distributing log(N) information to each node are another type of > PUSH, and don't have the scalability issues. > > Rendezvous points as you suggest below are another type of PUSH, where > the non-rendezvous points have a small amount of information, but if I > understand you correctly, the RPs still have the same scalability > issues > as flooding everything. For the last few months I have been sporting a new saying, inspired by our esteemed Yakov: "Pull doesn't scale, Push doesn't scale, pick one". ;-) Dino _______________________________________________ RAM mailing list RAM@iab.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ram
- [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Iljitsch van Beijnum
- RE: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Dave Thaler
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Dino Farinacci
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Tony Li
- RE: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Dave Thaler
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Tony Li
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Yakov Rekhter
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? David Conrad
- RE: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Dave Thaler
- RE: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Dave Thaler
- RE: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Dave Thaler
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Dino Farinacci
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Dino Farinacci
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Tony Li
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Tony Li
- RE: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Dave Thaler
- RE: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Templin, Fred L
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Tony Li
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? David Conrad
- RE: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Dave Thaler
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Spencer Dawkins
- RE: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Dave Thaler
- RE: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Templin, Fred L
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Ted Hardie
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Eliot Lear
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Eliot Lear
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? David Conrad
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Eliot Lear
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? David Conrad
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Eliot Lear
- RE: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Templin, Fred L
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Tony Li
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Ted Hardie
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Eliot Lear
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? David Conrad
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? David Conrad
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Ted Hardie
- [RAM] Re: The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Lars Eggert
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? David Conrad
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Lars Eggert
- [RAM] Re: The mapping problem: rendezvous points? David Conrad
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? David Conrad
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Lars Eggert
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Dino Farinacci
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Dino Farinacci
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Eliot Lear
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- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? JUAN-JOSE.ADAN
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Eliot Lear
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Lars Eggert
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Dino Farinacci
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Lars Eggert
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Spencer Dawkins
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Lars Eggert
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Gert Doering
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Tony Li
- Manual network access logins (Was: Re: [RAM] The … Jari Arkko
- Re: Manual network access logins (Was: Re: [RAM] … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Manual network access logins (Was: Re: [RAM] … Jari Arkko
- Re: Manual network access logins (Was: Re: [RAM] … Tony Li
- Re: Manual network access logins (Was: Re: [RAM] … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Manual network access logins (Was: Re: [RAM] … Jari Arkko
- Re: Manual network access logins (Was: Re: [RAM] … Leslie Daigle
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Noel Chiappa
- RE: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? louise.burness
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Dino Farinacci
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Noel Chiappa
- Re: [RAM] The mapping problem: rendezvous points? Dino Farinacci