Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL certs, DNS delegation etc.
JFC Morfin <jefsey@jefsey.com> Wed, 08 August 2007 12:09 UTC
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From: JFC Morfin <jefsey@jefsey.com>
Subject: Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL certs, DNS delegation etc.
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1) Sounds to me like a 1920 AT&T director explaining that people did not need a dedicated telephone number. This might have been true. Like ICANN saying in August 2000 that mobiles did not need IP addresses and could be accessed via Telcos' own Gateways as virtual hosts. Or experts of the 90s saying that everyone could accept Windows with large users working on IBM main frames. Who knows? However, who wants to bet on that? 2) Thomas, I think there is something missing in your summary: a calendar. Time to get a solution, and how long it is expected to stay. This will say if what is looked for at this stage has to be a patch or can be an architecture. We need to see that clarified first. jfc At 11:23 08/08/2007, Gert Doering wrote: >Hi, > >On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 11:14:53AM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > > Those are the *large majority* of "end users". > > > > We have no work to do for "the large majority of TODAY's end users", > > "it works for them". > > > > We work for the power users of today, who do what the end users of > > tomorrow will do daily (P2P file sharing being a typical example). > >P2P file sharing is happy if you give it a global IP address that >doesn't change too often and has no NAT in its way. They have understood >the concept of "using lookup services". > >Gert Doering > -- NetMaster >-- >Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 113403 > >SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard >Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann >D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) >Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 > > >_______________________________________________ >RAM mailing list >RAM@iab.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ram _______________________________________________ RAM mailing list RAM@iab.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ram
- [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL certs, D… Robin Whittle
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Thomas Narten
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Gert Doering
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Stig Venaas
- [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Robin Whittle
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Olivier Bonaventure
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Robin Whittle
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Gert Doering
- [RAM] "End-users" & things I think warrant more a… Robin Whittle
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… JFC Morfin
- [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … Gert Doering
- [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Gert Doering
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … JFC Morfin
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … Thomas Narten
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … Gert Doering
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … JFC Morfin
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … JFC Morfin
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … Roland Dobbins
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … JFC Morfin
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Jari Arkko