Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL certs, DNS delegation etc.
Robin Whittle <rw@firstpr.com.au> Tue, 07 August 2007 17:28 UTC
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Hi Olivier, By "end-users" I meant those "end-users" who run networks and which need multihoming, or the ability to choose another ISP without a renumbering effort which in their view is excessively costly or likely to cause more disruption than their organisation can handle. I wasn't referring to people at home with NAT firewalls in ADSL modems who have never heard of an IP address or a configuration file. > I think that we strongly need to distinguish between addresses used as > locators and addresses used as identifiers. Users will probably want to > keep the same identifier, but they don't care about the locators. The addresses which matter to these end-users are those of the packets which are in their network. How the routing system, LISP etc. gets them to the network is not something they care about - unless those methods cause inefficiencies, difficulties with fragmentation, or break Path MTU Discovery by the hosts which are sending them packets. Unfortunately, I think LISP, eFIT-APT and Ivip will cause these difficulties. But something like this will probably be built of those difficulties are not as bad as what would otherwise happen with the number of advertised prefixes growing without constraint. - Robin _______________________________________________ RAM mailing list RAM@iab.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ram
- [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL certs, D… Robin Whittle
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Thomas Narten
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Gert Doering
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Stig Venaas
- [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Robin Whittle
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Olivier Bonaventure
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Robin Whittle
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Gert Doering
- [RAM] "End-users" & things I think warrant more a… Robin Whittle
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… JFC Morfin
- [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … Gert Doering
- [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Gert Doering
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … JFC Morfin
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … Thomas Narten
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … Gert Doering
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … JFC Morfin
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … JFC Morfin
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … Roland Dobbins
- Re: [RAM] Re: Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL … JFC Morfin
- Re: [RAM] Renumbering impossibility: TSL/SSL cert… Jari Arkko