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    <p>Hi Laurence,</p>
    <p>I am happy that we could have a technical discussion independent
      of RFC. <br>
    </p>
    <p>One question; mostly agree with the rest. Please see inline. <br>
    </p>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 21.04.25 03:49, Laurence Lundblade
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"
      cite=3D"mid:96365E15-6A4C-43F9-84AF-B958AA0AB5AC@island-resort.com"=
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      <div>I often do not know what someone means when they use the bare
        term =E2=80=9Cauthentication=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 who=E2=80=99s aut=
henticating who based on what
        secret for what purpose? </div>
    </blockquote>
    Purpose may be hard to put in there in the definition; otherwise I
    like that. It is nice and precise. <br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"
      cite=3D"mid:96365E15-6A4C-43F9-84AF-B958AA0AB5AC@island-resort.com"=
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      <div>Just looked at=C2=A0draft-ietf-rats-reference-interaction-mode=
ls,
        which I hadn=E2=80=99t looked at before. Yes, that authentication=
 is
        absolutely required, but it=E2=80=99s not the same as TLS server =
auth. </div>
    </blockquote>
    If we consider the case of TLS server as RATS Attester, then what is
    the difference? The section does mention "by using a secure channel
    including authentication" So TLS should be one way to do it. <br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"
      cite=3D"mid:96365E15-6A4C-43F9-84AF-B958AA0AB5AC@island-resort.com"=
>
      <div><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);=
">I
          would call the "</span><font color=3D"#000000">Authentication
          Secret=E2=80=9D an =E2=80=9CAttestation Key=E2=80=9D to avoid t=
he ambiguous=C2=A0term that
          =E2=80=9Cauthentication=E2=80=9D is.</font></div>
    </blockquote>
    I agree. <br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"
      cite=3D"mid:96365E15-6A4C-43F9-84AF-B958AA0AB5AC@island-resort.com"=
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      <div><font color=3D"#000000"><br>
        </font></div>
      <div><font color=3D"#000000">Maybe we need a rule that terms like
          =E2=80=9Croot=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cauthentication=E2=80=9D, =E2=
=80=9Ckey=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Ctrust=E2=80=9D be qualified
          with at minimum one adjective. The term
          in=C2=A0=C2=A0draft-ietf-rats-reference-interaction-models beco=
mes
          "attester-verify authentication=E2=80=9D. Anyone on this list c=
aught
          using the bare terms has to take notes at the next interim
          meeting. Just a thought :-)</font></div>
    </blockquote>
    Good idea. But perhaps exclude when someone is quoting someone
    else's draft, otherwise I will be the note taker forever :) <br>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite"
      cite=3D"mid:96365E15-6A4C-43F9-84AF-B958AA0AB5AC@island-resort.com"=
>
      <div>I did acknowledge your sentence quoted next was correct.</div>=

    </blockquote>
    Thanks.<br>
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