From nobody Tue Dec 7 05:25:15 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rats@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rats@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2548B3A161E for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2021 05:25:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=sandelman.ca Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W8s4YHGXjFqy for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2021 05:25:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95DD63A161D for ; Tue, 7 Dec 2021 05:25:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39E838ABC; Tue, 7 Dec 2021 08:28:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id CnwQCHgOFSNp; Tue, 7 Dec 2021 08:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AAC138AB9; Tue, 7 Dec 2021 08:28:43 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sandelman.ca; s=mail; t=1638883723; bh=PfsLsWbFz2OCSqloUvhrAaIglKmrUz89a9Ry17j58+0=; h=From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=d/mBq44lhZjsd0n2YTZPmet56AIPb8HYNMMSb5+xhMc+xjAPWKVucFN7lLUrrvJGr BZ159b62BlCH/LVqYtUqfiHMFMREgV+Yb9G1tudkWpoNKSBzeC4mFOVNLRzmkMKFh5 +37tr2ycFe2/GPCyJ74qkk91/hGBoltpMz7pH8epBZ3Ldq0KMveVprmLNhadRJMHI6 x88W3oTogQSxegvFkZpsCa8NHAr7HvIhGJJRTKsevEPrp0ZmfoCtBMfBmK/8tG1xy2 YDq9kR7TuDg1fR0Td10tZRc8BLqwMAx67uUV3U+GdnMpTmucHiOl4wpxtJ+iE+3Ubl vVBwA5poug65A== Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DEF57A; Tue, 7 Dec 2021 08:25:02 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Hannes Tschofenig , "rats\@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rats] EAT Review Comments X-BeenThere: rats@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Remote ATtestation procedureS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2021 13:25:13 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hannes Tschofenig wrote: > - The spec is long and there is a lot of feature creep. This makes it > appear very complex. I believe there are two reasons for this, namely > (a) there is suddenly a lot of architectural discussion in this > document. This is unnecessary given that there is a separate > architecture document. There is no need to repeat the content here as > well. Do you expect a reader to go through the architecture document > before reading this document? (b) There are claims in this > specification that may sound good but I wonder whether they are ready > for prime time already. This document does not need to collect all > claims that relate to attestation. Most likely there is not much > experience implementing some of these claims either, which reduces the > quality of the specification. Sometimes less is just more. Thank you for articulating this. I feel the same way. I think that the document could be significantly shorter. =2D- Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T consulti= ng ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmGvYK4ACgkQgItw+93Q 3WW7owgAgm3T/L2T6mCzM7XzDBI/Mi9rkHq5qfSxR1JtPeApUWP1yUZGLjK2obh7 OeQfPMsqVv0A7cPdpiWbk1UCtHZxfzSg/Cs/7inyfYbBuc+Mkqs3SOcEna/C9s8L CgVVwYB6zkx/8LJ2z/RtEDv+FxYiKRUph14ex4N22tmTm84blFowataQ7s6l7Hr/ U6RFvpyjs71trxtH07XU2taNuDNstAZl8SLbGf+bfjzZSGdO5I9XWNH8tK+JdeXa urpy16FhLLcASS4D0ULQpX8OWSIolTE8N2ARSiUycMAD7CoaWrCktGYSfyeH2v8k 2VJtqrekWGYoitrDmecUCJJlhUWUpA== =Ypop -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--