Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename) for Yang module draft
Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de> Mon, 11 November 2019 12:14 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename) for Yang module
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Hi Michael, please see in-line. On 11.11.19 12:37, Michael Richardson wrote: > > > On 2019-11-11 5:57 p.m., Henk Birkholz wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> on one hand, we have to address the overlap between YANG and EAT >> information elements (statements & Claims) and how to deal with them >> (one obvious issue, for example, would be potential redundant >> information model content in two different drafts). > Examples of the same information elements that are used in different data models via Claims or statements: * EAT Time stamp / YANG clock info * EAT Origination / YANG attestation key cert, or * EAT Uptime / YANG tpm ticks > Can you give me an example, but I'm not getting the issue. > I think that we will be the first to attempt to use JOSE to sign a JSON > serialized YANG object, resulting in a JWT. Well, technically, it's > probably not a JWT, because we aren't going to base64url it and put > periods between the pieces, I think. It's just JOSE, but I don't mind > if we call it a JWT. As far as I know, simply wrapping a "JSON serialized YANG object" in JOSE does not create a JWT. RFC 7951 is not based on RFC 7519. The Base64/Base64URL confusion is limited to value representation in JSON serialization, I think. > > draft-ietf-anima-constrained-voucher does CBOR serialized YANG which is > signed with COSE. With CBOR serialization most things more straightforward and a tad bit simpler. I do not think that we have any issues on the binary side of things here. Or am I missing something obvious? > > >> On the other hand, Laurence's original point was the payload of >> conveyance protocols used by RATS. Specializations of this topic are >> apparently: >> >> * Web Tokens via YANG Interfaces, and >> * YANG modeled data via other conveyance protocols (other than *CONF) >> that can transport Web Tokens. >> >> There are examples of how YANG modeled data is used outside of *CONF >> protocols, for example MUD. We have to understand and agree about: >> >> * this is possible on a technical level, and >> * this is useful wrt to protocol scope, intent & semantics, I think. >> > > MUD (RFC8520) does it, but so does ANIMA vouchers (RFC8366). > Again, data-at-REST described by YANG. > > But the document in question does not seem to be data-at-rest, but RPC > access via *CONF protocols to TPM 2.0 objects, so I feel that you are > further muddying this thread by asking the above question. > > > _______________________________________________ > RATS mailing list > RATS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rats >
- [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename) f... Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Guy Fedorkow
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Laurence Lundblade
- [Rats] clarity on JWT vs YANG-serialization: ba... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Oliver, Ian (Nokia - FI/Espoo)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] clarity on JWT vs YANG-serialization... Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] clarity on JWT vs YANG-serialization... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] clarity on JWT vs YANG-serialization... Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] clarity on JWT vs YANG-serialization... Anders Rundgren
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Schönwälder
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Schönwälder
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Schönwälder
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Schönwälder
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Schönwälder
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Schönwälder
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Schönwälder
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Eric Voit (evoit)
- [Rats] 答复: Call for adoption (after draft renam... Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept)
- [Rats] 答复: Call for adoption (after draft renam... Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Schönwälder
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Schönwälder
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Michael Richardson
- [Rats] 答复: Call for adoption (after draft renam... Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Guy Fedorkow
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] 答复: Call for adoption (after draft r... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Guy Fedorkow
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft renam... Michael Richardson