Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename) for Yang module draft
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Sat, 23 November 2019 06:33 UTC
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Comments: In-reply-to Dave Thaler <dthaler=40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org> message dated "Fri, 15 Nov 2019 07:38:32 +0000."
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Subject: Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename) for Yang module draft
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{why do people insist on CC people who are on the list? Do you enjoy getting three copies of emails with different headers} Dave Thaler <dthaler=40microsoft.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > I have not yet seen a compelling reason to use a pull-based mechanism > instead of a push-based mechanism via another protocol the routers > already support. I agree. > In order to know who to pull data from, the Verifier has to have some > indication from the Attester that triggers the attestation request > indicated as Step 1 in draft-fedorkow-rats-network-device-attestation. > So in reality, there has to be a step before step 1, > whereby the Attester does something that makes the Attester > discoverable by the Verifier. That step could have included the EAT > or the TPM data I have a todo item to write up: 1) a use case for Attestation at BSKI onboarding time. (really this is a RIV sub-case, I think) 2) a document explaining how to carry EAT in BRSKI voucher-requests and RFC8366 vouchers. That works well for initial attestation before a device is accepted onto a network, but does not manage the ongoing safety of the device. An open item in BRSKI is finding a way to signal that a device supports RESTCONF, and should have it's configuration loaded in that way. That signaling could very well indicate that attestation is available that way; well actually I think that once RESTCONF is up, the controller can discover that it supports our EAT-YANG-module. Having said all of this, I was surprised that my question on Friday's meeting about what claims would be in the EAT that be returned from entity-attestation-token-challenge-response did not elicit more understanding and aha. I want to be clear: I object to including the EAT in the *TPM* module, because: 1) it's mixing two different things and there is no reason a device that supports one should have to support the other. 2) I believe that the use case is completely different. 3) returning EATs is way too important to get it wrong like this. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
- [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename) for… Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Guy Fedorkow
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Laurence Lundblade
- [Rats] clarity on JWT vs YANG-serialization: base… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Oliver, Ian (Nokia - FI/Espoo)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] clarity on JWT vs YANG-serialization: … Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] clarity on JWT vs YANG-serialization: … Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] clarity on JWT vs YANG-serialization: … Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] clarity on JWT vs YANG-serialization: … Anders Rundgren
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Schönwälder
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Schönwälder
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Schönwälder
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Schönwälder
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Schönwälder
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Schönwälder
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Schönwälder
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Eric Voit (evoit)
- [Rats] 答复: Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept)
- [Rats] 答复: Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Schönwälder
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Schönwälder
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Michael Richardson
- [Rats] 答复: Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept)
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Guy Fedorkow
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] 答复: Call for adoption (after draft ren… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Guy Fedorkow
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Call for adoption (after draft rename)… Michael Richardson