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Lena Chaponniere <lguellec@qti.qualcomm.com> Tue, 20 September 2022 18:51 UTC

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From: Lena Chaponniere <lguellec@qti.qualcomm.com>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>, "rats@ietf.org" <rats@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Rats] IPR check for draft-ietf-rats-architecture
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Hello Michael,

Regarding " I didn't find a related patent ", did you mean that 1) you were unable to locate documents for the patents referenced in the disclosures or 2) you found the documents but you do not think the patents referenced in the disclosures are related to the draft?

Best Regards,
Lena

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From: RATS <rats-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Michael Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 10:41 AM
To: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>; rats@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Rats] IPR check for draft-ietf-rats-architecture

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Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> wrote:
    > draft-ietf-rats-architecture was reviewed by the IESG at the September
    > 9 telechat.  Based on this IESG evaluation, the document was advanced
    > to the "Approved-announcement to be sent::Revised I-D Needed" state --
    > the document is approved for publication, but I'm requesting that the
    > authors review the IESG COMMENTs and publish a revision.

Yes, we opened issues for all the COMMENTS, and we are working on revisions.

    > Since this document left the WG and went through IESG evaluation,
    > another set of IPR claims against this document have been reported (on
    > September 16).  See:

    > -- https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5812/
    > -- https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5811/

    > Note, these are different that the two IPR claims we previously
    > discussed
    > (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rats/3nCTOkNYW8ydEo0zHZlQoY8F92A/).

    > Since this document is now sitting with me for advancement, I am
    > consulting the WG if there are any objections to publishing this
    > document (once another revision is published) given this new IPR
    > information.  Please respond to the list by Wednesday, September 28,
    > 2022.

I think that the new IPR claim is nonsense, and should be sent back to the submitter for clarification.  I didn't find a related patent, and they did not even disclose which section of the document infringes.
Or maybe I just don't know how to read the disclosure.


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