Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rats-eat)
Laurence Lundblade <lgl@island-resort.com> Tue, 31 May 2022 16:55 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rats-eat)
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I am definitely not a fan of unconstrained fan out here. Probably the right thing to do is require any additional token type be an IETF standard. One reason I made these sockets is so that UCCS/UJCS will plug in and be part of a submod Nested-Token and part of a DEB. It is important that UCCS and UJCS be brought into EAT this way. Personally, I think it would probably be good if this never went beyond UJCS/UCCS. I’m still digesting Simon’s collection proposal… Thanks for point that out, Thomas. LL > On May 31, 2022, at 3:00 AM, Thomas Fossati <Thomas.Fossati@arm.com> wrote: > > {Lemaître hat on} > > "where does a EAT end?" > > The CDDL has: > > $$EAT-{CBOR,JSON}-{Unt,T}agged-Token /= ... > > which says it is theoretically possible to extend a EAT to cover > anything, as long as it looks like a CBOR or JSON stream. > > The EAT I-D defines the CWT, JWT and DEB types. > > But UCCS will have to plug into the same CDDL socket soon. > > And Simon's proposal to add the "EAT collection" type [1] uses the same > mechanism to extend the semantics of a EAT in the same direction as DEB > - i.e., by providing an aggregation primitive. > > My observation is that unless the EAT I-D contains clear criteria for > scoping its type system its governance can become quite tricky down the > line. > > cheers, thanks > > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-frost-rats-eat-collection/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-frost-rats-eat-collection/> > > > > IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. _______________________________________________ > RATS mailing list > RATS@ietf.org <mailto:RATS@ietf.org> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rats <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rats>
- [Rats] WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/… Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
- Re: [Rats] WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/… Thomas Fossati
- [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC for h… Thomas Fossati
- Re: [Rats] WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [Rats] WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/… Giridhar Mandyam
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Giridhar Mandyam
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Thomas Fossati
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Giridhar Mandyam
- Re: [Rats] WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/… Giridhar Mandyam
- [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for htt… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Ira McDonald
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Giridhar Mandyam
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Thomas Fossati
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Giridhar Mandyam
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Giridhar Mandyam
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Giridhar Mandyam
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Giridhar Mandyam
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Giridhar Mandyam
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Jeremy O'Donoghue
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Thomas Fossati
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Thomas Fossati
- Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC f… Giridhar Mandyam
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Giridhar Mandyam
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Giridhar Mandyam
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Giridhar Mandyam
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Giridhar Mandyam
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Giridhar Mandyam
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Eric Voit (evoit)
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] security-level claim (was Re: WGLC for… Giridhar Mandyam
- Re: [Rats] WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/… Carl Wallace
- Re: [Rats] WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/… Michael Richardson