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Re: [Rats] Use case -> architecture document

Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com> Thu, 07 November 2019 21:02 UTC

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From: Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, "rats@ietf.org" <rats@ietf.org>, "Schönwälder, Jürgen" <J.Schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
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Schönwälder, Jürgen wrote:
    > I prefer having all relevant interaction models in the architecture.

Michael Richardson wrote:
    > Do you want exhaustive details, or just enough to say how things differ and then reference another document?

Personally I would prefer that any high level info that is solution agnostic be in the arch doc.
And any low level details that are solution specific be in the doc for the specific solution.

Dave

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