Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement?
Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Tue, 07 July 2020 17:06 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement?
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Laurence Lundblade <lgl@island-resort.com> wrote: > Sorry, didn’t say that right. > If we’re going to minimize description of what is above the Verifier, > then the term “Endorsement” should be replaced with a more general term > like “Verifier Input” or “Attester Trust Criteria” or other. I comprehend your point. > I think there are three problems with the term “Endorsement": > - It implies a specific style of input (a signed document) that is too > narrow for a general architecture I don't agree that it has to be a signed document. I think it could well be configuration information. But, it might be that, being largely TCG-ignorant, I like the term because I view it without TCG-approved-eyewear. > - It is ambiguous and/or not clear it is even correct. The room in > Berlin of experts agreed that Endorsement can’t have keys in them, but > there must be a key input to the Verifier. I would appreciate if Henk, or Dave could clarify this comment. I can't see why it can't list a set of trust anchors to be used to verify Evidence. I assume that's the kind of keys you speak of. > - It is TCG-specific. The term is not used in FIDO, Android and > TEE-based projects that I’ve worked on. > Some text like this? > Verifier Input > Inputs used by the Verifier to establish trust in Attester, evaluate > Attestation Evidence and produce Attestation results. It may include > cryptographic keys, known-good/reference values, static implicit claims > and policy configuration. I'm okay with this description, but I don't understand the dislike for endorsement. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ -- Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
- [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement? Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement? Dave Thaler
- Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement? Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement? Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement? Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement? Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement? Simon Frost
- Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement? Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement? Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement? Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement? Simon Frost
- Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement? Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement? Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement? Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement? Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement? Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement? Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] Verifier Input instead of Endorsement? Michael Richardson