[Rats] Epochs

Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com> Thu, 29 September 2022 11:07 UTC

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From: Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com>
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Hi all,

I have two questions regarding the RATS architecture draft and the use of epochs.


  1.  Would you expect that all solutions support all three freshness mechanisms, namely epoch ids, timestamps and nonces?


  1.  Appendix A.3 shows an example of an epoch id but there is no description provided in that section and the description in Section 10.3 is also very generic. So, in the figure below the attester sends the epoch id and the difference between time(EG_a)-time(VG_a). How is the verifier going to use this information? I would have instead assumed that the attester sends time(EG_a)-time(IR_a).

                     .-------------.
      .----------.   | Epoch ID    |   .----------.  .---------------.
      | Attester |   | Distributor |   | Verifier |  | Relying Party |
      '----+-----'   '------+------'   '-----+----'  '-------+-------'
           |                |                |               |
        time(VG_a)          |                |               |
           |                |                |               |
           ~                |                ~               ~
           |                |                |               |
        time(IR_a) <-----I--o--I------> time(IR_v) ---> time(IR_r)
           |                |                |               |
        time(EG_a)          |                |               |
           |                |                |               |
           +---Evidence--------------------->|               |
           |   {I,time(EG_a)-time(VG_a)}     |               |



Ciao
Hannes

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