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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FAO the architecture sub-group I've opened a new Issue on the doc to query the readability flow of the doc= ument: https://github.com/ietf-rats-wg/architecture/issues/163 As part of a review of the document by the Arm team, the document was shown= to someone less familiar with the area. Their feedback was that they found= the flow of the document hard to follow, with the comments that the termin= ology section was too remote from the core architecture discussion. Further= , within the Terminology section itself the alphabetic layout was not helpf= ul as they had to go back and forth as they tried to understand the terms. = The suggestion was to use a more hierarchical layout for the terminology. I've also created a PR (https://github.com/ietf-rats-wg/architecture/pull/1= 64) with a proposed change to the flow to address this. The changes are bas= ed on some experimental reworks of the doc that tested well in review local= ly. The core definitions / descriptions within Use Case / Terminology have= not been changed from the current -07 state. Summary of changes: + Moved the 'scene setting' Use Cases section to follow the Introduction (= the text here is general, without really needing use of the specific termin= ology) + Remove specific terminology (Attester / RP) from the Use Cases section by= generalising the language used, while keeping the clarification of those p= arties. This allows the Terminology section to move... + Terminology section now follows Use Case section, which puts it next to t= he Architecture section, and in particular Fig1, where understanding of the= terminology is most needed. + Change alphabetic layout of Terminology section to be more hierarchical o= n use/importance of terms (split into Roles & Artifacts and ordered so that= the more important term lead) + Added relationship descriptions between terminology entries. Thanks Simon Simon Frost Senior Principal Systems Solution Architect, ATG, Arm Mob: +44 7855 265691 IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confid= ential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, p= lease notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any= other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in = any medium. Thank you. --_000_AM6PR08MB3429A51D4D84A2AE834819BEEF150AM6PR08MB3429eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

FAO the architecture sub-group<= o:p>

 

I’ve opened a new Issue o= n the doc to query the readability flow of the document:<= /p>

https://github.com/ietf-rats-wg/architecture/issues/163=

As part of a review of the document by the Arm team,= the document was shown to someone less familiar with the area. Their feedb= ack was that they found the flow of the document hard to follow, with the c= omments that the terminology section was too remote from the core architecture discussion. Further, within the = Terminology section itself the alphabetic layout was not helpful as they ha= d to go back and forth as they tried to understand the terms. The suggestio= n was to use a more hierarchical layout for the terminology.

 

I’ve also created a PR (<= /span>htt= ps://github.com/ietf-rats-wg/architecture/pull/164= ) with a proposed change to the flow to address this. The changes are based on some experimental reworks of the doc that t= ested well in review locally. The core definitions / descriptions within Us= e Case / Terminology  have not been changed from the current -07 state= .

Summary of changes:

+ Moved the 'sce= ne setting' Use Cases section to follow the Introduction  (the text here is general, without really needing use of the speci= fic terminology)
+ Remove specific terminology (Attester / RP) f= rom the Use Cases section by generalising the language used, while keeping = the clarification of those parties. This allows the Te= rminology section to move…
+ Terminology section now follows Use Case sect= ion, which puts it next to the Architecture section, and in particular Fig1= , where understanding of the terminology is most needed.
+ Change alphabetic layout of Terminology secti= on to be more hierarchical on use/importance of terms = (split into Roles & Artifacts and ordered so that the more important te= rm lead)
+ Added relationshi= p descriptions between terminology entries.

Thanks

Simon

 

Simon Frost

Senior Principal Systems Solution= Architect, ATG, Arm

Mob: +44 7855 265691

 

 

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