Re: [Rats] EAT Review Comments
Laurence Lundblade <lgl@island-resort.com> Mon, 13 December 2021 20:31 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Rats] EAT Review Comments
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On Dec 13, 2021, at 4:55 AM, Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com> wrote: > > Hi Jeremy, > > Thanks for this additional information. That’s very helpful. > > To me it appears tricky to have the device provide this information. The problem I can see is that you cannot really rely on it. A compromised device would lie about its certificate level. Hence, whoever verifies this information has to keep to a copy around to check the received data against. This consequently makes the device-provided DLOA information of limited value. The EAT claim is just for a pointer (a URL) to the certification info. Also, DLOA is more intended for use in Attestation Results so it comes from the Verifier. I actually think certification info is pretty important in characterizing security of something. Just as important as the number of bits in an algorithm or the amount of side-channel defenses and such. Certification is where that all gets cross-checked into a coherent set of defenses and where effort is put into finding wholes and gaps. We don’t just say “use big I-beams” when building a sky scraper or bridge. We have a building department and inspector that makes sure they are used right. LL
- [Rats] EAT Review Comments Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Rats] EAT Review Comments Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] EAT Review Comments Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] EAT Review Comments Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Rats] EAT Review Comments Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] EAT Review Comments Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Rats] EAT Review Comments Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Rats] EAT Review Comments Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] EAT Review Comments Henk Birkholz
- Re: [Rats] EAT Review Comments Jeremy O'Donoghue
- Re: [Rats] EAT Review Comments Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Rats] EAT Review Comments Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Rats] EAT Review Comments Jeremy O'Donoghue
- Re: [Rats] EAT Review Comments Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Rats] EAT Review Comments Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] EAT Review Comments Henk Birkholz
- [Rats] Should we remove submods from EAT? (was Re… Laurence Lundblade
- [Rats] DLOAs claim (was Re: EAT Review Comments) Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] DLOAs claim (was Re: EAT Review Commen… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Should we remove submods from EAT? (wa… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Should we remove submods from EAT? (wa… Thomas Fossati
- Re: [Rats] Should we remove submods from EAT? (wa… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rats] Should we remove submods from EAT? (wa… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Should we remove submods from EAT? (wa… Smith, Ned
- Re: [Rats] Should we remove submods from EAT? (wa… Ira McDonald
- Re: [Rats] Should we remove submods from EAT? (wa… Laurence Lundblade
- Re: [Rats] Should we remove submods from EAT? (wa… Smith, Ned