Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rats-eat)

Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de> Tue, 31 May 2022 11:06 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Rats] Where does a EAT end? (was: Re: WGLC for https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rats-eat)
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Hi Thomas,
hi all,

I'd also like to add that I am bit puzzled by the fact that there is not 
a single area review commissioned for this I-D that is perceived as a 
"central item of the WG" (as far as I understand it).

I think there would be tremendous benefits stemming from reviews by the 
art & ops area, as well as the secdir and the iotdir, before we move to 
something that would resemble a WG consensus.

I am aware that we can do that also post first WGLC. I am just perplexed 
that we did not do this beforehand. Why is that the case?

Viele Grüße,

Henk


On 31.05.22 12:00, Thomas Fossati wrote:
> {Lemaître hat on}
> 
> "where does a EAT end?"
> 
> The CDDL has:
> 
> $$EAT-{CBOR,JSON}-{Unt,T}agged-Token /= ...
> 
> which says it is theoretically possible to extend a EAT to cover
> 
> anything, as long as it looks like a CBOR or JSON stream.
> 
> The EAT I-D defines the CWT, JWT and DEB types.
> 
> But UCCS will have to plug into the same CDDL socket soon.
> 
> And Simon's proposal to add the "EAT collection" type [1] uses the same
> 
> mechanism to extend the semantics of a EAT in the same direction as DEB
> 
> - i.e., by providing an aggregation primitive.
> 
> My observation is that unless the EAT I-D contains clear criteria for
> 
> scoping its type system its governance can become quite tricky down the
> 
> line.
> 
> cheers, thanks
> 
> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-frost-rats-eat-collection/ 
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-frost-rats-eat-collection/>
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