Re: [Rats] Adoption call for draft-lundblade-rats-eat-media-type

Laurence Lundblade <lgl@island-resort.com> Wed, 24 August 2022 17:29 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Rats] Adoption call for draft-lundblade-rats-eat-media-type
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> On Aug 3, 2022, at 10:43 PM, Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> In short: EAT/TEEP/RATS would (IMO...) gain by sticking to de-facto standards.  Media types are great but their primary use are in REEs.

EAT is for very broad use, including REEs. TEEs are very capable these days. An EAT generated in a TEE or SE is going to be received and processed by REEs, servers, … in all sorts of usage scenarios.

Happy to see other object type identification schemes used too. They don’t seem mutually exclusive to me.

LL