RE: [Raven] BBC Online 10/2/2000: "Surveillance bill under fire"
"Caspar Bowden" <cb@fipr.org> Fri, 11 February 2000 01:08 UTC
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From: Caspar Bowden <cb@fipr.org>
To: raven@ietf.org, "Ukcrypto (E-mail)" <ukcrypto@maillist.ox.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: [Raven] BBC Online 10/2/2000: "Surveillance bill under fire"
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:59:31 -0000
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> From: raven-admin@ietf.org [mailto:raven-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of > Richard Payne ... > Presumably the right to silence, which still exists in the > U.K., overrides > the powers supposedly granted to the police by this bill? It's a nice point. See 49(1). http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmbills/064/00064--j.htm#4 9 The prosecution must show that the person "has or has had" possession of the key, but if you are claiming it has been lost or forgotten, naturally that is conceded. If you do claim it is lost or forgotten (or inaccessible), you can't just leave it at that, because the burden falls on you to PROVE that in order to establish your defence. If nothing at all is said (that can be used in evidence)...I guess they DO have to show that the person has or has had possession of they key (beyond reasonable doubt). Interesting - that was not so in the July 99 E-Comms Bill. Comments ? -- Caspar Bowden http://www.fipr.org Director, Foundation for Information Policy Research Tel: +44(0)171 354 2333 Fax: +44(0)171 827 6534 _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven
- [Raven] BBC Online 10/2/2000: "Surveillance bill … Caspar Bowden
- Re: [Raven] BBC Online 10/2/2000: "Surveillance b… Richard Payne
- Re: [Raven] BBC Online 10/2/2000: "Surveillance b… Matthew Saroff
- Re: [Raven] BBC Online 10/2/2000: "Surveillance b… chefren
- RE: [Raven] BBC Online 10/2/2000: "Surveillance b… Caspar Bowden
- RE: [Raven] BBC Online 10/2/2000: "Surveillance b… janne.haikonen
- RE: [Raven] BBC Online 10/2/2000: "Surveillance b… Fred Baker
- Re: [Raven] BBC Online 10/2/2000: "Surveillance b… Fred Baker
- Re: [Raven] BBC Online 10/2/2000: "Surveillance b… Ed Stone
- RE: [Raven] BBC Online 10/2/2000: "Surveillance b… Caspar Bowden
- RE: [Raven] BBC Online 10/2/2000: "Surveillance b… phil.m.clarke
- Re: [Raven] BBC Online 10/2/2000: "Surveillance b… Ge' Weijers