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RE: [Raven] IP: China spies on its own people

"chefren" <chefren@pi.net> Sat, 05 February 2000 03:14 UTC

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On 4 Feb 00, at 20:33, Ed Stone wrote:

> Those who are unaware of history are condemned to
> support wiretapping, it seems. 


You are very fixed on history.

If history was a =guarantee= for the future everybody would 
be rich and famous. (0) And we wouldn't have anything new.


Things change. Democracies have decided that individuals 
can not be allowed to hide their communication in an 
absolute way for law enforcement.

+++chefren


(0) Yes, stupid thought.

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