Re: [Raven] BBC Online 10/2/2000: "Surveillance bill under fire"

"Ge' Weijers" <ge@progressive-systems.com> Mon, 14 February 2000 14:44 UTC

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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 07:27:41 -0700
From: Ge' Weijers <ge@progressive-systems.com>
To: chefren <chefren@pi.net>
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Subject: Re: [Raven] BBC Online 10/2/2000: "Surveillance bill under fire"
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On Thu, Feb 10, 2000 at 10:32:43PM +0100, chefren wrote:
> There are more samples, here in The Netherlands one can be 
> imprisoned it the only way to find the truth is by letting 
> a specified person speak.

This does not apply to the suspect. The UK proposed laws however
create a Catch-22 situation for the suspect: if you don't want to
incriminate yourself by revealing the key you go to jail for not
revealing your key.

> Also tax laws know "reversed proof".

It's kind of obvious that if you claim a deduction you need to show a
receipt on request. And the law does not speak of "proof", the
standard is set lower, you only have to show that your claims are
reasonable and likely to be correct ("aannemelijk maken").

Ge'

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