[Raven] Off topic: Apologies: Vacation spaming

Marc Mausch <marc.mausch@gruene.de> Fri, 28 April 2000 18:17 UTC

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:56:13 +0200
From: Marc Mausch <marc.mausch@gruene.de>
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>   You need to be more careful with your holiday email forwarding.
>   It has caused annoyance to many many people for weeks now.
>
To all those subscribers who definitly do know now that I was on holiday:
I am really very sorry for that. I didn't exclude that list from the auto-reply.

[On the other hand: In my opinion, a reply-to should never be a whole list.
My program simply replied to that address which was it told to be the sender. ]

Forgive!

Best regards,

Marc Mausch

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> From: "P.J. Ponder" <ponder@freenet.tlh.fl.us>
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> (for our international readers and the acronym disadvantaged, 'SEC' is the
> US government agency that monitors and regulates financial markets, stock
> trading, and other related activities, ostensibly to ensure competition
> and to protect the innocent investing public.)
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> http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=980&ern=y&ei=1642499
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> SEC Creating Web Surveillance
> 03:55EST
>
> By MARCY GORDON
> AP Business Writer
> 03/29/00
>
> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal regulators, on the lookout for
> phrases such as "get rich quick,'' are creating an automated
> surveillance system to search Web sites and message
> boards for investment fraud.
>
> But a major accounting firm says it won't participate because
> the Securities and Exchange Commission's new system
> might encroach on the privacy of innocent people using the
> Internet.
>
> The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is
> equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of
> planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of
> privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's
> largest accounting and consulting firms.
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> From: Ted Gavin <tedgavin@bellatlantic.net>
> To: raven@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Raven] SEC surveillance system
> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:51:09 -0500
> Organization: Zem & Zem Bedding Co, Inc.
> Reply-To: tedgavin@bellatlantic.net
>
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST), you wrote:
>
> [snip...]
>
> >http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=980&ern=y&ei=1642499
> >
> >SEC Creating Web Surveillance
> >03:55EST
> >
> >By MARCY GORDON
> >AP Business Writer
> >03/29/00
> >
> >[snip...]
> >
> >The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is
> >equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of
> >planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of
> >privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's
> >largest accounting and consulting firms.
>
> It is deliciously ironic that the noted opposition comes from PWC, a
> firm which has been under SEC scrutiny for "questionable ethical
> practices" in its Independent Auditing function.
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> Ted
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> Subject: Autoreply: Re: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs (fwd)
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> Can someone who speaks German contact this person and let him or her know
> that their auto-responder is copying the list itself (raven@ietf.org) with
> all of it's outgoing messages?
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> I tried, and got back an auto-reply in German....
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> Subject: Autoreply: Re: [Raven] Autoreply: raven digest, Vol 1 #168 - 2 msgs
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> Hallo,
>
> dies ist eine automatisch generierte Antwort.
>
> Ich bin nun bis 18.April 2000 im Urlaub. Bis dahin kann ich
> die Emails leider nicht bearbeiten.
>
> Mit vielen Grüßen,
>
> Marc Mausch
>
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> Marc,
> you appear to have the auto-reply function copying the Raven list itself.
> If you want to create a digest, that is good, but do you think it should
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> pj
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> On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 marc.mausch@gruene.de wrote:
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> > Hallo,
> >=20
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> > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST)
> > From: "P.J. Ponder" <ponder@freenet.tlh.fl.us>
> > To: raven@ietf.org
> > Subject: [Raven] SEC surveillance system
> >=20
> > (for our international readers and the acronym disadvantaged, 'SEC' is th=
> e
> > US government agency that monitors and regulates financial markets, stock
> > trading, and other related activities, ostensibly to ensure competition
> > and to protect the innocent investing public.)
> >=20
> >=20
> > http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=3D980&ern=3Dy&ei=3D16=
> 42499
> >=20
> > SEC Creating Web Surveillance=20
> > 03:55EST=20
> >=20
> > By MARCY GORDON
> > AP Business Writer=20
> > 03/29/00=20
> >=20
> > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal regulators, on the lookout for
> > phrases such as "get rich quick,'' are creating an automated
> > surveillance system to search Web sites and message
> > boards for investment fraud.=20
> >=20
> > But a major accounting firm says it won't participate because
> > the Securities and Exchange Commission's new system
> > might encroach on the privacy of innocent people using the
> > Internet.=20
> >=20
> > The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is
> > equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of
> > planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of
> > privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's
> > largest accounting and consulting firms.=20
> >=20
> > < . . . . >
> >=20
> >=20
> > -- __--__--
> >=20
> > Message: 2
> > From: Ted Gavin <tedgavin@bellatlantic.net>
> > To: raven@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [Raven] SEC surveillance system
> > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:51:09 -0500
> > Organization: Zem & Zem Bedding Co, Inc.
> > Reply-To: tedgavin@bellatlantic.net
> >=20
> > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 07:45:36 -0500 (EST), you wrote:
> >=20
> > [snip...]
> >=20
> > >http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?efi=3D980&ern=3Dy&ei=3D1=
> 642499
> > >
> > >SEC Creating Web Surveillance=20
> > >03:55EST=20
> > >
> > >By MARCY GORDON
> > >AP Business Writer=20
> > >03/29/00=20
> > >
> > >[snip...]
> > >
> > >The technology in the enhanced SEC surveillance program "is
> > >equivalent to, in my opinion, wiretapping ... the equivalent of
> > >planting a bug,'' said Larry Ponemon, a partner in charge of
> > >privacy issues at PricewaterhouseCoopers, one of the world's
> > >largest accounting and consulting firms.=20
> >=20
> > It is deliciously ironic that the noted opposition comes from PWC, a
> > firm which has been under SEC scrutiny for "questionable ethical
> > practices" in its Independent Auditing function.
> >=20
> > Ted
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
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