Re: [Raven] German programmer "Mixter" addresses cyberattacks
"chefren" <chefren@pi.net> Wed, 16 February 2000 01:33 UTC
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On 15 Feb 00, at 9:50, Richard Payne wrote: > ch*fr*n wrote: > > > > > (Pretty clueless ideas regarding a society as far as I see > > it. It's simply not acceptable for a lawful society that > > vandalists can produce damage worth of millons of dollars > > without much chance of getting cought.) > > > > > > It might well be that just tapping personal or business > > communication won't be enough to stop digital vandalism in > > the near future and police needs a sight at the traffic > > like they can look at numberplates of cars in a city... > > > > Using distributed denial of service as yet another rationale for tapping > makes very little sense. Rationale for more control. Tapping is just one aspect, this goes somewhat beyond. > The number of zombies involved makes it likely that > the originators of the attacks will eventually be caught. As pointed out by > mixter in the interview, the underlying problem is lax security on the > zombies. The end result will be better security as people become aware of > the potential problems. Security against lot's of request to a server? .. > > p.s. I still think Raven might mark the point in time IETF > > lost the guidance of Internet standards. I don't expect > > IPv6 to take off as we know it (maybe via UTMS with > > absolute(!) addresses), I expect a 5-10 year "standards" > > vacuum without a lot of new things and after that some form > > of government by UN/ETSI or even a new UN guided agency. > > > > The UN running the Internet? Saints preserve us in creosote! Might be... UN isn't ideal... Who/what do you expect to "police/rule the world" in 10/25/50/100 years? Some form of world wide government and policing will definitely appear af far as I see it and why wouldn't it be able to push new standards? +++chefren _______________________________________________ raven mailing list raven@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/raven
- [Raven] Re: The world is not of one voice. chefren
- [Raven] German programmer "Mixter" addresses cybe… chefren
- Re: [Raven] German programmer "Mixter" addresses … Richard Payne
- Re: [Raven] German programmer "Mixter" addresses … Ge' Weijers
- Re: [Raven] German programmer "Mixter" addresses … Ge' Weijers
- Re: [Raven] German programmer "Mixter" addresses … chefren
- Re: [Raven] German programmer "Mixter" addresses … chefren
- Re: [Raven] German programmer "Mixter" addresses … Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [Raven] German programmer "Mixter" addresses … Matthew G. Saroff
- Re: [Raven] Re: The world is not of one voice. Harald Tveit Alvestrand