Re: [Raw] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-raw-00-02: (with BLOCK)

"BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" <db3546@att.com> Wed, 05 February 2020 16:49 UTC

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From: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" <db3546@att.com>
To: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
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Thread-Topic: [Raw] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-raw-00-02: (with BLOCK)
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Subject: Re: [Raw] Alissa Cooper's Block on charter-ietf-raw-00-02: (with BLOCK)
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Hi Alissa,

Please refer to Pascal’s reply for background.

I didn’t intend to scope this to only aeronautical applications. I was only trying to point to it as one of the critical. As the use cases are under discussion, I didn’t want at this time to give “the answer”. The use case document has more information.

As you and Alvaro are looking for more detail, would this sentence added to the end of the second paragraph help?

“Other example wireless applications include Industrial, Pro Audio and Video, Gaming, and Edge Robotics.”

The intention of why this is not scoped specifically to aeronautical is because the hope is to find a common solution for multiple applications similar to the detnet, teas, and ccamp approach.

On your second part questioning which is first - applications or use cases- I’m not sure the confusion. Some of these applications already are existing with proprietary solutions. Others as Pascal noted are waiting for technology improvements. Can you provide suggested rewording to help us understand?

Thanks for your interest!
Deborah 


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> I still feel that the charter is unclear on the relationship between
> "Aeronautical Data Applications" and the work of this WG. The charter says this
> is "one" critical application, but then uses the term "these newly identified
> industry applications" and "these newer industry applications." Do those
> snippets of text refer to multiple different aeronautical applications? Or do
> they refer to applications in other domains? Since the aeronautical
> applications are called out multiple times, are they expected to take
> precedence over other applications when the use cases and requirements are
> defined?
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> Also, this is a little pedantic but since there has been a lot of confusion
> about this, I think it needs to be clarified: the charter says "RAW’s focus
> will be on identifying use cases and requirements for these new applications."
> Wouldn't we expect applications to flow from use cases, not the other way
> around? That is, if the WG intends to invent use cases for applications that
> already exist, that seems backwards.
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