Re: [Raw] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on charter-ietf-raw-00-02: (with COMMENT)

"BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" <db3546@att.com> Wed, 05 February 2020 15:29 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Raw] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on charter-ietf-raw-00-02: (with COMMENT)
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Thanks Barry-

This sentence has been present in many of our recent charters, as Barry says, to say additional documents or reference material may not be necessarily published.

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Subject: Re: Alvaro Retana's No Objection on charter-ietf-raw-00-02: (with COMMENT)

Álvaro, it might be that the working group would like the option of "publishing" documents containing background and working-group musings (perhaps lists of use cases and the like) only in github or only on a wiki, and not as I-Ds.  I interpreted that as where the referenced text was going.

Barry

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 6:30 PM Alvaro Retana via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
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> I support the first part of Alissa's BLOCK.
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> This may be a nit, but I still find this sentence a little confusing:
> "Additional documents may be published or exist on a git repository, 
> the publication format will be agreed by the Working Group at the time 
> the document is adopted by the group."
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> The fact that the milestones point at RFCs seems to clarify the 
> meaning of "published"; but the alternative to an RFC ("published") is 
> more akin to a draft and not a document that exists in an external 
> repository only.  IOW, I would hope that if additional documents 
> exist, that they do so either as an internet-draft or an RFC.  This 
> state is independent of the tools used for its development.
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