[re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g?

Bob Briscoe <rbriscoe@jungle.bt.co.uk> Mon, 28 September 2009 18:31 UTC

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Hi Congestion Exposers (or should that be ex-posers?),

Lars & Jari need an acronym.

Can someone suggest a way to decide between the 
ideas proposed so far below, rather than just 
going round and round on the list?

Context - CONgestion EXposed Truthfully
Counted - COngestion {UNiversally Truthfully} ExposeD
Exact - EXposing All CongesTion
Expect - EXPosing CongesTion
ExCeTra (pronounced etc.) - EXposing Congestion TRAnsparently
CEX - Congestion EXposure or Congestion Exposure eXperiments
ConEx - Congestion Exposure
re-ECN - re-inserted Explicit Congestion Notification (or receiver aligned)
re-con - Reinserted Congestion? Also alluding to military reconnaissance
Trac - Transport with accountabiliy
Travis or Tracvis - Transport with congestion visiblity

I've removed a couple the original proposer 
didn't really like, to try to start converging.

If we're voting, I vote for CEX (with a soft C of course).


Bob


>Subject: RE: [re-ECN] Name for BoF?
>Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:01:43 +0100
>From: <toby.moncaster@bt.com>
>To: <toby.moncaster@bt.com>om>, <rbriscoe@jungle.bt.co.uk>uk>, <re-ecn@ietf.org>
>Cc: <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com>
>
>6 more suggestions:
>
>Connexion - CONgestioN EXposure InformatiON
>Context - CONgestion EXposed Truthfully
>Convex - CONgestion Voluntarily EXposed
>Counted - COngestion {UNiversally Truthfully} ExposeD
>Exact - EXposing All CongesTion
>Expect - EXPosing CongesTion
>
>Of these I think I prefer exact, counted and 
>context as the words convey something of what we mean.
>
>Toby
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: re-ecn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:re-ecn-bounces@ietf.org] On
> > Behalf Of toby.moncaster@bt.com
> > Sent: 08 September 2009 09:20
> > To: Briscoe,RJ,Bob,XVR9 BRISCORJ R; re-ecn@ietf.org
> > Cc: ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com
> > Subject: Re: [re-ECN] Name for BoF?
> >
> > If you want to go for something catchy I had been thinking on the lines
> > of:
> >
> > ExCeTra (pronounced etc.) - EXposing Congestion TRAnsparently
> >
> > I am exactly split between Congestion Transparency and Congestion
> > Exposure. Congestion Visibility is weak...
> >
> > Toby
> >
> > PS - glad we got something out in time for the deadline. Let's hope it
> > proves suitable to get us to the starting gate in Hiroshima...
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: re-ecn-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:re-ecn-bounces@ietf.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Bob Briscoe
> > > Sent: 08 September 2009 09:03
> > > To: re-ECN unIETF list
> > > Cc: Ingemar Johansson S
> > > Subject: Re: [re-ECN] Name for BoF?
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > More views welcome?
> > >
> > > Summary of 'votes' so far...
> > >
> > > At 00:08 08/09/2009, João Taveira Araújo wrote:
> > > >Bob Briscoe wrote:
> > > >>Folks,
> > > >>
> > > >>One important issue I never raised - the name.
> > > >>
> > > >>Congestion Exposure
> > > >>Congestion Visibility
> > > >>Congestion Transparency
> > >
> > > Congestion Exposure seems to get everyone's approval
> > >
> > >
> > > >>And a short form:
> > > >>CEX?
> > > >>re-ECN?
> > >
> > > Everyone agrees on what it shouldn't be: Not re-ECN
> > > Less agreement on a replacement:
> > >
> > >          CEX
> > >          ConEx
> > >          re-con
> > > Also, one vote for "Wait until later."
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm not so keen on including "Con" for obvious
> > > reasons :) Choosing something like that can come back and bite you.
> > > It also sounds somehow as much like config as congestion.
> > >
> > > Some time ago, Toby came up with a clever one:
> > >          C-IT (pron. "See it") for Congestion Information
> > Transparency.
> > > not so useful if we're not calling it transparency tho.
> > >
> > > Hey, I've just had a thought, the flag (or
> > > codepoint) for rest-of-path congestion could be
> > > called CEX (Congestion Expected), rather
> > > ambiguous with ECN's "Congestion Experienced (CE)" tho.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________________________________________
> > > Bob Briscoe,               Networks Research Centre, BT Research
> > >
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