Re: [re-ECN] Pls bash: Congestion Exposure (re-ECN) BoF inHiroshima?
Bob Briscoe <rbriscoe@jungle.bt.co.uk> Thu, 10 September 2009 04:00 UTC
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Subject: Re: [re-ECN] Pls bash: Congestion Exposure (re-ECN) BoF inHiroshima?
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Toby, At 10:01 09/09/2009, toby.moncaster@bt.com wrote: >Further, end-hosts have means to "game the system" to increase their >access to capacity, and to progress communications even in the >presence of persistent congestion. As a consequence ISPs feel they >have to police "heavy users" to free up resources for the bulk of >their customers. This involves making assumptions about the wishes >of their customers which in turn is eroding trust between ISPs, >customers, content providers and application writers. I don't like the implication here that end-hosts game the system. It's mostly innocent use of the tools provided (e.g. TCP) that developers just assume sort out fair usage. Bob ________________________________________________________________ Bob Briscoe, Networks Research Centre, BT Research
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