Re: [re-ECN] ECN fundamentals pt2/2

[Bob Briscoe <[e-mail]>]

Hannes,

The answer here is that you're right it's important to understand 
some of these incentive models, but the IETF isn't really an 
approrpriate forum, as that's not where the expertise is.

On that subject, on Wed we had a big event in London with three 
expert panels (commercial, public policy & technical) where the 
purpose was to assess the re-ECN proposal on all three fronts. Senior 
execs (CEOs, CTOs) as well as experts in these three fields flew in 
from around the world with a few on video links too. The organisers 
(GIIC) will be producing a report and we hope to give a report into 
the BoF if the organisers are happy to.


Bob

At 10:22 02/10/2009, Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) wrote:
>When we started the NSIS work on QoS someone was asking me about how the
>charging for these things will work out. I responded by saying that
>"someone will figure that out later". Very similar to how Mirja and Mat
>responded in this discussion.
>
>The problem with many of these QoS things is that they make a lot of
>sense for researchers (but unfortunately not for anyone else).
>
>Hence, I believe it is important to understand some of these incentive
>models since otherwise you end up having another nice technology (again)
>that people cannot make us of. Behind all these new protocol mechanisms
>are business models hidden that better make some sense.
>
>Ciao
>Hannes
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
> >On Behalf Of ext Matthew Ford
> >Sent: 02 October, 2009 12:13
> >To: Mirja Kuehlewind
> >Cc: [e-mail]
> >Subject: Re: [re-ECN] ECN fundamentals pt2/2
> >
> >On 02/10/2009 09:28, Mirja Kuehlewind wrote:
> >> Hi Michael,
> >>
> >> On Friday 02 October 2009 07:32:18 Michael Menth wrote:
> >>> Apart from that, I wonder whether a monthly congestion
> >allowance or a
> >>> maximum congestion rate can be sold to the customer because that is
> >>> more abstract and harder to verify for the user. Even I do not know
> >>> what I get for a congestion allowance of 1 MB/month or a maximum
> >>> congestion rate of 10 KB/s. That was one of the criticisms
> >I've heard
> >>> when discussing about re-feedback. Opinions?
> >>>
> >> I don't see that you have to sell the congestion rate to the
> >costumer.
> >> It's just one part of the contract which will have some more or less
> >> meaningful names like "fast access" or "high speed access". People
> >> don't know what the max. access speed in todays contracts
> >means neither...
> >
> >+1. Furthermore, I think we should probably call 'rathole' whenever the
> >question of how congestion volume gets translated into
> >commercial contracts or marketing is raised.
> >
> >Mat
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Bob Briscoe,                                BT Innovate & Design