Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? DCP

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Perhaps an alternative name for re-ECN itself could be:

INSPECT - Insertion of predicted congestion

Toby

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> Sent: 29 September 2009 09:58
> To: [e-mail]; Briscoe,RJ,Bob,XVR9 BRISCORJ R
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> Subject: Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? DCP
> 
> I am not convinced that prediction is quite right. To me it implies a
> particular approach (namely re-ECN) and I am keen that any WG is given
> the freedom to eventually explore other possible approaches.
> 
> Having said that I am also not completely convinced by "expose" or
> "Exposure" (preferring instead transparency with its associated
> economic context). However, as Bob said in an earlier email we seem to
> have converged that as being the word that causes least confusion.
> 
> Sadly whatever you choose to call something is always open to
> misinterpretation...
> 
> Toby
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On
> > Behalf Of Michael Menth
> > Sent: 29 September 2009 09:36
> > To: Briscoe,RJ,Bob,XVR9 BRISCORJ R
> > Cc: re-ECN unIETF list
> > Subject: Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? DCP
> >
> > Hi again,
> >
> > as I said already before, I like Richard's "prediction" quite much as
> > the "inserted re-feedback" is just an estimate for the congestion on
> > the
> > path. Another adjective to describe the congestion prediction would
> be
> > nice to sound good, e.g., downstream congestion prediction (DCP)
> which
> > also implies that proxies may insert re-feedback. Maybe another
> > adjective is better?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >     Michael
> >
> > Michael Menth schrieb:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I am not happy with all the acronyms. Regarding the meaning, I like
> > > Richard's "congestion prediction" most as the returned ECN feedback
> > is
> > > just a hint to predict the congestion on the path. But I feel that
> > the
> > > term "exposure" has already quite some consensus. Another option
> > which
> > > is in line with CEX, CEEX, etc. would be
> > >
> > > Explicit Congestion Exposure (ECE)
> > >
> > > It can be seen in contrast to or as a complement to Explicit
> > > Congestion Notification (ECN). We already have Pre-Congestion
> > > Notification (PCN) as another variant in this style.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >    Michael
> > >
> > > Bob Briscoe schrieb:
> > >> Hi Congestion Exposers (or should that be ex-posers?),
> > >>
> > >> Lars & Jari need an acronym.
> > >>
> > >> Can someone suggest a way to decide between the ideas proposed so
> > far
> > >> below, rather than just going round and round on the list?
> > >>
> > >> Context - CONgestion EXposed Truthfully
> > >> Counted - COngestion {UNiversally Truthfully} ExposeD
> > >> Exact - EXposing All CongesTion
> > >> Expect - EXPosing CongesTion
> > >> ExCeTra (pronounced etc.) - EXposing Congestion TRAnsparently
> > >> CEX - Congestion EXposure or Congestion Exposure eXperiments
> > >> ConEx - Congestion Exposure
> > >> re-ECN - re-inserted Explicit Congestion Notification (or receiver
> > >> aligned)
> > >> re-con - Reinserted Congestion? Also alluding to military
> > reconnaissance
> > >> Trac - Transport with accountabiliy
> > >> Travis or Tracvis - Transport with congestion visiblity
> > >>
> > >> I've removed a couple the original proposer didn't really like, to
> > >> try to start converging.
> > >>
> > >> If we're voting, I vote for CEX (with a soft C of course).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Bob
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Subject: RE: [re-ECN] Name for BoF?
> > >>> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:01:43 +0100
> > >>> From: <[e-mail]>
> > >>> To: <[e-mail]>om>, <[e-mail]>uk>,
> > >>> <[e-mail]>
> > >>> Cc: <[e-mail]>
> > >>>
> > >>> 6 more suggestions:
> > >>>
> > >>> Connexion - CONgestioN EXposure InformatiON
> > >>> Context - CONgestion EXposed Truthfully
> > >>> Convex - CONgestion Voluntarily EXposed
> > >>> Counted - COngestion {UNiversally Truthfully} ExposeD
> > >>> Exact - EXposing All CongesTion
> > >>> Expect - EXPosing CongesTion
> > >>>
> > >>> Of these I think I prefer exact, counted and context as the words
> > >>> convey something of what we mean.
> > >>>
> > >>> Toby
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> > -----Original Message-----
> > >>> > From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
> On
> > >>> > Behalf Of [e-mail]
> > >>> > Sent: 08 September 2009 09:20
> > >>> > To: Briscoe,RJ,Bob,XVR9 BRISCORJ R; [e-mail]
> > >>> > Cc: [e-mail]
> > >>> > Subject: Re: [re-ECN] Name for BoF?
> > >>> >
> > >>> > If you want to go for something catchy I had been thinking on
> the
> > >>> lines
> > >>> > of:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > ExCeTra (pronounced etc.) - EXposing Congestion TRAnsparently
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I am exactly split between Congestion Transparency and
> Congestion
> > >>> > Exposure. Congestion Visibility is weak...
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Toby
> > >>> >
> > >>> > PS - glad we got something out in time for the deadline. Let's
> > >>> hope it
> > >>> > proves suitable to get us to the starting gate in Hiroshima...
> > >>> >
> > >>> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >>> > > From: [e-mail] [mailto:re-ecn-
> [e-mail]]
> > On
> > >>> > > Behalf Of Bob Briscoe
> > >>> > > Sent: 08 September 2009 09:03
> > >>> > > To: re-ECN unIETF list
> > >>> > > Cc: Ingemar Johansson S
> > >>> > > Subject: Re: [re-ECN] Name for BoF?
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Folks,
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > More views welcome?
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Summary of 'votes' so far...
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > At 00:08 08/09/2009, João Taveira Araújo wrote:
> > >>> > > >Bob Briscoe wrote:
> > >>> > > >>Folks,
> > >>> > > >>
> > >>> > > >>One important issue I never raised - the name.
> > >>> > > >>
> > >>> > > >>Congestion Exposure
> > >>> > > >>Congestion Visibility
> > >>> > > >>Congestion Transparency
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Congestion Exposure seems to get everyone's approval
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > >>And a short form:
> > >>> > > >>CEX?
> > >>> > > >>re-ECN?
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Everyone agrees on what it shouldn't be: Not re-ECN
> > >>> > > Less agreement on a replacement:
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >          CEX
> > >>> > >          ConEx
> > >>> > >          re-con
> > >>> > > Also, one vote for "Wait until later."
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > I'm not so keen on including "Con" for obvious
> > >>> > > reasons :) Choosing something like that can come back and
> bite
> > you.
> > >>> > > It also sounds somehow as much like config as congestion.
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Some time ago, Toby came up with a clever one:
> > >>> > >          C-IT (pron. "See it") for Congestion Information
> > >>> > Transparency.
> > >>> > > not so useful if we're not calling it transparency tho.
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Hey, I've just had a thought, the flag (or
> > >>> > > codepoint) for rest-of-path congestion could be
> > >>> > > called CEX (Congestion Expected), rather
> > >>> > > ambiguous with ECN's "Congestion Experienced (CE)" tho.
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > Bob
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > ________________________________________________________________
> > >>> > > Bob Briscoe,               Networks Research Centre, BT
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