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Re: [re-ECN] Pls bash: Congestion Exposure (re-ECN) BoF inHiroshima?

<toby.moncaster@bt.com> Thu, 10 September 2009 09:38 UTC

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Perhaps what needs to be got across is that some ISPs fear that there is
"gaming of the system" happening. And whilst the user is usually
innocently pursuing their self-interest, the application writers are
definitely trying it on...

However there may well be a way to get the idea across in a less
controversial phrase. I'll keep working on this.

Toby

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Briscoe,RJ,Bob,XVR9 BRISCORJ R
> Sent: 10 September 2009 05:00
> To: Moncaster,T,Toby,DER3 R
> Cc: re-ecn@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [re-ECN] Pls bash: Congestion Exposure (re-ECN) BoF
> inHiroshima?
> 
> Toby,
> 
> At 10:01 09/09/2009, toby.moncaster@bt.com wrote:
> >Further, end-hosts have means to "game the system" to increase their
> >access to capacity, and to progress communications even in the
> >presence of persistent congestion. As a consequence ISPs feel they
> >have to police "heavy users" to free up resources for the bulk of
> >their customers. This involves making assumptions about the wishes
> >of their customers which in turn is eroding trust between ISPs,
> >customers, content providers and application writers.
> 
> I don't like the implication here that end-hosts game the system.
> It's mostly innocent use of the tools provided (e.g. TCP) that
> developers just assume sort out fair usage.
> 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> ________________________________________________________________
> Bob Briscoe,               Networks Research Centre, BT Research

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