Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? DCP

[Michael Menth <[e-mail]>]

Hi again,

as I said already before, I like Richard's "prediction" quite much as 
the "inserted re-feedback" is just an estimate for the congestion on the 
path. Another adjective to describe the congestion prediction would be 
nice to sound good, e.g., downstream congestion prediction (DCP) which 
also implies that proxies may insert re-feedback. Maybe another 
adjective is better?

Regards,

    Michael

Michael Menth schrieb:
> Hi all,
>
> I am not happy with all the acronyms. Regarding the meaning, I like 
> Richard's "congestion prediction" most as the returned ECN feedback is 
> just a hint to predict the congestion on the path. But I feel that the 
> term "exposure" has already quite some consensus. Another option which 
> is in line with CEX, CEEX, etc. would be
>
> Explicit Congestion Exposure (ECE)
>
> It can be seen in contrast to or as a complement to Explicit 
> Congestion Notification (ECN). We already have Pre-Congestion 
> Notification (PCN) as another variant in this style.
>
> Regards,
>
>    Michael
>
> Bob Briscoe schrieb:
>> Hi Congestion Exposers (or should that be ex-posers?),
>>
>> Lars & Jari need an acronym.
>>
>> Can someone suggest a way to decide between the ideas proposed so far 
>> below, rather than just going round and round on the list?
>>
>> Context - CONgestion EXposed Truthfully
>> Counted - COngestion {UNiversally Truthfully} ExposeD
>> Exact - EXposing All CongesTion
>> Expect - EXPosing CongesTion
>> ExCeTra (pronounced etc.) - EXposing Congestion TRAnsparently
>> CEX - Congestion EXposure or Congestion Exposure eXperiments
>> ConEx - Congestion Exposure
>> re-ECN - re-inserted Explicit Congestion Notification (or receiver 
>> aligned)
>> re-con - Reinserted Congestion? Also alluding to military reconnaissance
>> Trac - Transport with accountabiliy
>> Travis or Tracvis - Transport with congestion visiblity
>>
>> I've removed a couple the original proposer didn't really like, to 
>> try to start converging.
>>
>> If we're voting, I vote for CEX (with a soft C of course).
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>> Subject: RE: [re-ECN] Name for BoF?
>>> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:01:43 +0100
>>> From: <[e-mail]>
>>> To: <[e-mail]>om>, <[e-mail]>uk>, 
>>> <[e-mail]>
>>> Cc: <[e-mail]>
>>>
>>> 6 more suggestions:
>>>
>>> Connexion - CONgestioN EXposure InformatiON
>>> Context - CONgestion EXposed Truthfully
>>> Convex - CONgestion Voluntarily EXposed
>>> Counted - COngestion {UNiversally Truthfully} ExposeD
>>> Exact - EXposing All CongesTion
>>> Expect - EXPosing CongesTion
>>>
>>> Of these I think I prefer exact, counted and context as the words 
>>> convey something of what we mean.
>>>
>>> Toby
>>>
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On
>>> > Behalf Of [e-mail]
>>> > Sent: 08 September 2009 09:20
>>> > To: Briscoe,RJ,Bob,XVR9 BRISCORJ R; [e-mail]
>>> > Cc: [e-mail]
>>> > Subject: Re: [re-ECN] Name for BoF?
>>> >
>>> > If you want to go for something catchy I had been thinking on the 
>>> lines
>>> > of:
>>> >
>>> > ExCeTra (pronounced etc.) - EXposing Congestion TRAnsparently
>>> >
>>> > I am exactly split between Congestion Transparency and Congestion
>>> > Exposure. Congestion Visibility is weak...
>>> >
>>> > Toby
>>> >
>>> > PS - glad we got something out in time for the deadline. Let's 
>>> hope it
>>> > proves suitable to get us to the starting gate in Hiroshima...
>>> >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On
>>> > > Behalf Of Bob Briscoe
>>> > > Sent: 08 September 2009 09:03
>>> > > To: re-ECN unIETF list
>>> > > Cc: Ingemar Johansson S
>>> > > Subject: Re: [re-ECN] Name for BoF?
>>> > >
>>> > > Folks,
>>> > >
>>> > > More views welcome?
>>> > >
>>> > > Summary of 'votes' so far...
>>> > >
>>> > > At 00:08 08/09/2009, João Taveira Araújo wrote:
>>> > > >Bob Briscoe wrote:
>>> > > >>Folks,
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>One important issue I never raised - the name.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>Congestion Exposure
>>> > > >>Congestion Visibility
>>> > > >>Congestion Transparency
>>> > >
>>> > > Congestion Exposure seems to get everyone's approval
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > >>And a short form:
>>> > > >>CEX?
>>> > > >>re-ECN?
>>> > >
>>> > > Everyone agrees on what it shouldn't be: Not re-ECN
>>> > > Less agreement on a replacement:
>>> > >
>>> > >          CEX
>>> > >          ConEx
>>> > >          re-con
>>> > > Also, one vote for "Wait until later."
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > I'm not so keen on including "Con" for obvious
>>> > > reasons :) Choosing something like that can come back and bite you.
>>> > > It also sounds somehow as much like config as congestion.
>>> > >
>>> > > Some time ago, Toby came up with a clever one:
>>> > >          C-IT (pron. "See it") for Congestion Information
>>> > Transparency.
>>> > > not so useful if we're not calling it transparency tho.
>>> > >
>>> > > Hey, I've just had a thought, the flag (or
>>> > > codepoint) for rest-of-path congestion could be
>>> > > called CEX (Congestion Expected), rather
>>> > > ambiguous with ECN's "Congestion Experienced (CE)" tho.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Bob
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > ________________________________________________________________
>>> > > Bob Briscoe,               Networks Research Centre, BT Research
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