Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion Exposure community?
Bruce Davie <bdavie@cisco.com> Fri, 04 September 2009 17:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion Exposure community?
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Bob, I'm definitely supportive of the re-ECN work. I have no idea how to make progress on standardization, but having a BoF to discuss the goals and see if there is some feasible path forward seems like a very worthwhile use of time and space at the IETF. Bruce Davie > Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 17:33:36 +0100 > To: re-ecn@ietf.org > From: Bob Briscoe <rbriscoe@jungle.bt.co.uk> > Subject: Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion Exposure community? > > Folks, > > I'd like to try to arrange a Congestion Exposure (re-ECN) BoF in Nov > at the Hiroshima IETF. If so, we have to notify the area directors v > soon - by 24:00 UTC Mon 7 Sep 09. #1 gating function for Area > Directors: activity on an ietf list. > > Therefore, pls respond preferably *on this list* if you're > interested in being involved, no matter how insignificantly, e.g. > > - you want congestion visibility for other stuff you're doing > (but don't intend to work on it itself) > - reviewing docs, > - alternative way to achieve congestion exposure > - participate in mailing list discussion, > - co-authoring docs > - design ways to do incremental deployment > - using code for other stuff you're doing > - thinking up new uses for the protocol > - breaking it > - analysing benefits/costs > - implement protocol > - implement a demo > - running or participating in trials > - standing on the sidelines booing or clapping > - whatever > > Perceived problem: > Most people want to work on something finite like a new cool non-TCP- > friendly congestion control. Less people want to go into an pseudo- > infinite loop fixing IP to allow other cool stuff to happen. If you > want something like re-ECN to be there, but don't have the bandwidth > to work on it, that's cool too - please say this - it's still > palpable support. And you will be likely to have review comments > related to how you want to use it. > > Cheers > > > Bob > > ________________________________________________________________ > Bob Briscoe, Networks Research Centre, BT Research
- [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion Exp… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Michael Welzl
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Soo-Hyun Choi
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Agarwal, Anil
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Michael Menth
- [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion Exp… Costas Courcoubetis
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Howard Green
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Bruce Davie
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Tom Taylor
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Rolf Winter
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Steven J Bauer
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Kwok Ho Chan
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Richard Bennett
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Don Bowman
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Steven Blake
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Scott Brim
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Matt Mathis
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Janardhan Iyengar
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Leslie Daigle
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Varghese Reji-A16389
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Mayutan A.
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… ken carlberg
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… PAPADIMITRIOU Dimitri
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… João Taveira Araújo
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Ford, Alan
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Anna Charny (acharny)
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… João Taveira Araújo
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… marcelo bagnulo braun
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… João Taveira Araújo
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Barbara van Schewick
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… alan.p.smith
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Piers O'Hanlon
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Zaheduzzaman Sarker
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Dragana Damjanovic
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Joe Babiarz
- Re: [re-ECN] Fwd: Pls respond: Do we have a Conge… Aaron Falk
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] Fwd: Pls respond: Do we have a Conge… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Lixia Zhang
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Piers O'Hanlon
- Re: [re-ECN] Pls respond: Do we have a Congestion… Bob Briscoe