Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g?

[Bob Briscoe <[e-mail]>]

Kwok,

Can I suggest we don't start open season again on 
the name, but just focus on the acronym.

Until now we had consensus on the name 
(Congestion Exposure), just not the acronym. I 
understand your concerns about "exposure", but 
there were strong concerns about transparency being ambiguous.


Sorry I wrongly omitted C-IT. Consider it added to the candidate list.


Bob

At 20:35 28/09/2009, Kwok Ho Chan wrote:
>I am worried the use of CEX and Exposure may 
>generate too much traffic for the list.
>It may also trigger some censorship with some jurisdictions and organizations.
>What do you tell the immigration officer who checks your passport when he asks
>you what convention/meeting you are attending 
>before he lets you into the country?
>We may have too many people attending our meetings.
>
>I like C-IT (See It) for Congestion Information Transparency
>I like Transparency more than Exposure, as 
>Transparency hints at trust, while Exposure
>hints at unwanted disclosure (like the publishing of movie star private info).
>
>-- Kwok --
>
>
>At 02:32 PM 9/28/2009, Bob Briscoe wrote:
>>Hi Congestion Exposers (or should that be ex-posers?),
>>
>>Lars & Jari need an acronym.
>>
>>Can someone suggest a way to decide between the 
>>ideas proposed so far below, rather than just 
>>going round and round on the list?
>>
>>Context - CONgestion EXposed Truthfully
>>Counted - COngestion {UNiversally Truthfully} ExposeD
>>Exact - EXposing All CongesTion
>>Expect - EXPosing CongesTion
>>ExCeTra (pronounced etc.) - EXposing Congestion TRAnsparently
>>CEX - Congestion EXposure or Congestion Exposure eXperiments
>>ConEx - Congestion Exposure
>>re-ECN - re-inserted Explicit Congestion Notification (or receiver aligned)
>>re-con - Reinserted Congestion? Also alluding to military reconnaissance
>>Trac - Transport with accountabiliy
>>Travis or Tracvis - Transport with congestion visiblity
>>
>>I've removed a couple the original proposer 
>>didn't really like, to try to start converging.
>>
>>If we're voting, I vote for CEX (with a soft C of course).
>>
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>
>>>Subject: RE: [re-ECN] Name for BoF?
>>>Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:01:43 +0100
>>>From: <[e-mail]>
>>>To: <[e-mail]>om>, <[e-mail]>uk>, <[e-mail]>
>>>Cc: <[e-mail]>
>>>
>>>6 more suggestions:
>>>
>>>Connexion - CONgestioN EXposure InformatiON
>>>Context - CONgestion EXposed Truthfully
>>>Convex - CONgestion Voluntarily EXposed
>>>Counted - COngestion {UNiversally Truthfully} ExposeD
>>>Exact - EXposing All CongesTion
>>>Expect - EXPosing CongesTion
>>>
>>>Of these I think I prefer exact, counted and 
>>>context as the words convey something of what we mean.
>>>
>>>Toby
>>>
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On
>>> > Behalf Of [e-mail]
>>> > Sent: 08 September 2009 09:20
>>> > To: Briscoe,RJ,Bob,XVR9 BRISCORJ R; [e-mail]
>>> > Cc: [e-mail]
>>> > Subject: Re: [re-ECN] Name for BoF?
>>> >
>>> > If you want to go for something catchy I had been thinking on the lines
>>> > of:
>>> >
>>> > ExCeTra (pronounced etc.) - EXposing Congestion TRAnsparently
>>> >
>>> > I am exactly split between Congestion Transparency and Congestion
>>> > Exposure. Congestion Visibility is weak...
>>> >
>>> > Toby
>>> >
>>> > PS - glad we got something out in time for the deadline. Let's hope it
>>> > proves suitable to get us to the starting gate in Hiroshima...
>>> >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On
>>> > > Behalf Of Bob Briscoe
>>> > > Sent: 08 September 2009 09:03
>>> > > To: re-ECN unIETF list
>>> > > Cc: Ingemar Johansson S
>>> > > Subject: Re: [re-ECN] Name for BoF?
>>> > >
>>> > > Folks,
>>> > >
>>> > > More views welcome?
>>> > >
>>> > > Summary of 'votes' so far...
>>> > >
>>> > > At 00:08 08/09/2009, João Taveira Araújo wrote:
>>> > > >Bob Briscoe wrote:
>>> > > >>Folks,
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>One important issue I never raised - the name.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >>Congestion Exposure
>>> > > >>Congestion Visibility
>>> > > >>Congestion Transparency
>>> > >
>>> > > Congestion Exposure seems to get everyone's approval
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > >>And a short form:
>>> > > >>CEX?
>>> > > >>re-ECN?
>>> > >
>>> > > Everyone agrees on what it shouldn't be: Not re-ECN
>>> > > Less agreement on a replacement:
>>> > >
>>> > >          CEX
>>> > >          ConEx
>>> > >          re-con
>>> > > Also, one vote for "Wait until later."
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > I'm not so keen on including "Con" for obvious
>>> > > reasons :) Choosing something like that can come back and bite you.
>>> > > It also sounds somehow as much like config as congestion.
>>> > >
>>> > > Some time ago, Toby came up with a clever one:
>>> > >          C-IT (pron. "See it") for Congestion Information
>>> > Transparency.
>>> > > not so useful if we're not calling it transparency tho.
>>> > >
>>> > > Hey, I've just had a thought, the flag (or
>>> > > codepoint) for rest-of-path congestion could be
>>> > > called CEX (Congestion Expected), rather
>>> > > ambiguous with ECN's "Congestion Experienced (CE)" tho.
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Bob
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
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>>> > > Bob Briscoe,               Networks Research Centre, BT Research
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