Re: [re-ECN] Draft Agenda
Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ikr.uni-stuttgart.de> Wed, 07 October 2009 15:27 UTC
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From: Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ikr.uni-stuttgart.de>
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Subject: Re: [re-ECN] Draft Agenda
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Hi, some questions regarding the demonstration: > > > 10 mins demonstration > > > > ? > > We are trying to put together a very simple demo of re-ECN to show that > it is possible to reveal congestion both upstream and downstream at any > point in the network. The idea was not to go into any technical detail > (after all the BoF isn't here to rubberstamp a solution, but it will > help people to see that a solution is possible and actually works...). I not sure how you gone make a demo (of re-ECN) without any technical details of re-ECN. The mechanism that there are re-ECN markings which have been insert by the sender into the network based on the number of ECN markings the receiver has seen and that ECN marking are set by a router to signal congestion (usually bases one the current queue length) needs to be mentioned. And than you basically explained Re-ECN....? Then I would like to know if I understood the scenario right: There will be one (TCP)-connection (with some congestion control ?) and a way to insert congestion (just set marking with a certain probability or start some other transmissions...?). I have a couple of these simple scenarios in my simulation and either I define the congestion (=setting markings with a certain pattern, but what realistic here..?) or the congestion level is varying very strong (because of TCP congestion control and most of the time there might be no congestion in these simple scenarios). And how do you actually calculating the current congestion level? Because usually there are a couple of markings at one time and than it take more than one RTT that the Re-ECN markings balance it. If the congestion level is varying strongly, the delay might be a problem for getting a concrete values for the current congestion level in one network component...? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Mirja
- [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? Matthew Ford
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? Scott Brim
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? Kwok Ho Chan
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? Fred Baker
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? Fred Baker
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? Fred Baker
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? Richard Bennett
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? Fred Baker
- [re-ECN] Congestion is relative (was: Re: Acronym… Bob Briscoe
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? ECE Michael Menth
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? DCP Michael Menth
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? toby.moncaster
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? DCP toby.moncaster
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? DCP toby.moncaster
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? toby.moncaster
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? DCP Tina TSOU
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? Lars Eggert
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? toby.moncaster
- [re-ECN] Draft Agenda toby.moncaster
- Re: [re-ECN] Acronym for BoF / w-g? DCE Michael Menth
- Re: [re-ECN] Draft Agenda Leslie Daigle
- Re: [re-ECN] Draft Agenda toby.moncaster
- Re: [re-ECN] Draft Agenda Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: [re-ECN] Draft Agenda toby.moncaster
- Re: [re-ECN] Draft Agenda Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Draft Agenda Leslie Daigle
- Re: [re-ECN] Draft Agenda toby.moncaster
- [re-ECN] BOF e-ECN Demo (was RE: Draft Agenda) alan.p.smith
- Re: [re-ECN] Draft Agenda Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Draft Agenda Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Draft Agenda alan.p.smith
- Re: [re-ECN] Draft Agenda Lars Eggert
- Re: [re-ECN] Draft Agenda Woundy, Richard
- Re: [re-ECN] Draft Agenda Matt Mathis