Re: [Reap] [saag] PSA: New list for discussing EAP related methods
Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Fri, 27 October 2017 11:55 UTC
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To: Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>, Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com>
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From: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>
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Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 13:55:08 +0200
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Subject: Re: [Reap] [saag] PSA: New list for discussing EAP related methods
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Kathleen, So the plan is to close reap and use emu? Eliot On 10/27/17 3:43 AM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > That sounds like the best plan. > > Thank you, > Kathleen > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 26, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Bernard Aboba <bernard.aboba@gmail.com > <mailto:bernard.aboba@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> Yes, the EMU WG list has been used for discussion of EAP methods >> since the WG closed. >> >> That list is a better venue for discussion of EAP methods than a new >> REAP list, so as to ensure that proper attention is paid to backward >> compatibility, IPR, security properties and other critical aspects of >> EAP method design. >> >> After all, we are talking about a protocol that is 20+ years old that >> is implemented on billions of devices, many of which utilize >> open-source. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Kathleen Moriarty >> <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com >> <mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Mohit Sethi >> <mohit.m.sethi@ericsson.com <mailto:mohit.m.sethi@ericsson.com>> >> wrote: >> > Hi Bernard, >> > >> > The EAP-TLS 1.3 document is a very rough drafty version that >> was submitted >> > before the cut-off for the last IETF. As you rightly point out, >> it has the >> > skeleton and a lot of material from RFC5216, and still many >> important >> > details are missing. >> > >> > The purpose of this list is to exactly receive these kind of >> comments. >> > Should RFC5216 be updated or obsoleted by this draft. And it >> would be great >> > if we can have your contributions to the document. We will >> definitely add an >> > acknowledgement section and contact the authors of RFC5216 to >> see if they >> > can contribute and comment. We plan to have more EAP related >> contributions >> > in the near future. We discussed this with the Security ADs and >> thought that >> > a separate list would be appropriate to get feedback/criticism and >> > contributions from the folks interested. >> >> I'm sorry, I didn't realize that a revision of 5216 was involved and >> that the authors were not notified at the onset as is normal practice >> in case they want to continue as authors. Thank you for spotting >> this >> issue Bernard. >> >> Is there an existing list that should be used? Is there adequate >> overlap in objectives and personnel? >> >> Thank you, >> Kathleen >> >> > >> > --Mohit >> > >> > >> > On 10/26/2017 06:51 PM, Bernard Aboba wrote: >> > >> > There are existing functioning IETF mailing lists relating to EAP. >> > >> > Why are you starting yet another one? >> > >> > From what I can tell, the EAP-TLS 1.3 draft is merely a copy of >> RFC 5216 >> > (with no acknowledgement to the original authors) stating that >> EAP-TLS >> > implementations must support TLS 1.3. >> > >> > This is ridiculous because there are 1+ Billion existing >> implementations out >> > there that >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:02 AM, Mohit Sethi >> <mohit.m.sethi@ericsson.com <mailto:mohit.m.sethi@ericsson.com>> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Dear all, >> >> >> >> We have started a mailing list for discussing new EAP related >> work that >> >> currently has no obvious home. The mailing list is called REAP >> (Renew EAP) >> >> reap@ietf.org <mailto:reap@ietf.org> and you can subscribe here: >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/reap >> <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/reap> >> >> >> >> Recently several new EAP methods have been proposed. These >> include for >> >> example: >> >> >> >> EAP-TLS 1.3: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mattsson-eap-tls13-00 >> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mattsson-eap-tls13-00> >> >> >> >> EAP-NOOB: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-aura-eap-noob-02 >> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-aura-eap-noob-02> >> >> >> >> EAP-SASL: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vanrein-eap-sasl-00 >> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vanrein-eap-sasl-00> >> >> >> >> The list serves as a venue for discussion of these and other >> EAP related >> >> drafts that will be submitted in the near future. As courtesy, >> we will post >> >> any new draft to SAAG, but we plan to continue the discussion >> only on the >> >> REAP mailing list. We have also asked for a short presentation >> slot during >> >> SECDISPATCH at IETF 100 in Singapore. >> >> >> >> Comments, early feedback, and discussion on existing or new >> work is more >> >> than welcome. >> >> >> >> --Mohit >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> saag mailing list >> >> saag@ietf.org <mailto:saag@ietf.org> >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag >> <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > saag mailing list >> > saag@ietf.org <mailto:saag@ietf.org> >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag >> <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag> >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > saag mailing list >> > saag@ietf.org <mailto:saag@ietf.org> >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag >> <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> Kathleen >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > saag mailing list > saag@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag
- [Reap] PSA: New list for discussing EAP related m… Mohit Sethi
- Re: [Reap] [saag] PSA: New list for discussing EA… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Reap] [saag] PSA: New list for discussing EA… Mohit Sethi
- Re: [Reap] [saag] PSA: New list for discussing EA… Yoav Nir
- Re: [Reap] [saag] PSA: New list for discussing EA… David Mitton
- Re: [Reap] [saag] PSA: New list for discussing EA… Alan DeKok
- Re: [Reap] [saag] PSA: New list for discussing EA… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Reap] [saag] PSA: New list for discussing EA… Mohit Sethi
- Re: [Reap] [saag] PSA: New list for discussing EA… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Reap] [saag] PSA: New list for discussing EA… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Reap] [saag] PSA: New list for discussing EA… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Reap] [saag] PSA: New list for discussing EA… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Reap] [saag] PSA: New list for discussing EA… Eliot Lear
- Re: [Reap] [saag] PSA: New list for discussing EA… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [Reap] [saag] PSA: New list for discussing EA… Zhen Cao
- Re: [Reap] [saag] PSA: New list for discussing EA… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Reap] [saag] PSA: New list for discussing EA… Mohit Sethi
- [Reap] EAP - TLS 1.3 Mohit Sethi
- Re: [Reap] EAP - TLS 1.3 Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Reap] [Emu] EAP - TLS 1.3 Jari Arkko
- Re: [Reap] EAP - TLS 1.3 Alan DeKok
- Re: [Reap] EAP - TLS 1.3 Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Reap] EAP - TLS 1.3 Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Reap] [Emu] EAP - TLS 1.3 Bernard Aboba
- Re: [Reap] EAP - TLS 1.3 John Mattsson
- Re: [Reap] [Emu] EAP - TLS 1.3 John Mattsson