Re: [Recentattendees] [104all] Further Clarification Re: IETF 104 Preliminary Agenda

Kyle Rose <> Mon, 25 February 2019 20:56 UTC

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On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 3:45 PM Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <>

> Kyle –
> It seems to me that your summary has overlooked one key point. As per the
> announcement:
> *<snip>*
> *Wednesday's schedule has regular sessions until 13:20, unstructured time
> in the afternoon, and the plenary in the evening at 17:10. This leaves
> almost four hours of unstructured time for attendees to reserve for side
> meetings.*
> *<end snip>*
> And part of your response is:
> *<snip>*
> *The secretariat can't address the problem of too many (or too long) WG
> sessions,*
> *<end snip>*
> Presumably the alternative could have been to have another slot in the
> afternoon on Wednesday for WG meetings – which would have provided more
> flexibility in avoiding conflicts.

No contest. I should have listed that as a third issue.

> Without taking sides, I think the question is whether the introduction of
> “unstructured time” is adding or subtracting value.

It really seems like we're trying to stuff too much into 5 days. (When you
have 5 lbs of manure and a 4 lbs bag...) Were side meetings in the
mornings, evenings, or during slots without important sessions not working?
Are there groups that really are too busy to skip less important sessions
in favor of collaborative side work? (E.g., there are WGs I *like* to
attend, but when it conflicts with some work I *need* to do, I know where
I'm going to be. These 3 weeks per year are precious, and with every
session being recorded, anything I'm passively consuming gets watched
later.) It's not like the entire IETF needs to collaborate in the same
place at the same time, so I'm skeptical of the need for slots dedicated to
unstructured work.

That said, even with the addition of Wednesday afternoon to the available
slots, the crunch would still exist. The other two issues need to be