Re: [recipe] Anything going to happen at IETF 75?

Hi Chris,

I strongly share your analysis.

There is a need for a narrow focus to get a chance to move forward  
with a potential WG. How about trying another ad-hoc meeting during  
IETF-75, with the hope to start collecting input on the scope of such  
work ?

Thanks.

JP.

On May 14, 2009, at 7:38 PM, Chris Lonvick wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Tue, 5 May 2009, Stuart Cheshire wrote:
>
>> On 21 Apr, 2009, at 14:05, Chris Lonvick wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Is anyone planning a BoF (or Bar BoF) for IETF 75 for RECIPE?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris
>>
>> I think there's a lot of agreement that this is an important area,  
>> but sadly there appears to be little energy in the IETF right now  
>> for actually doing anything. Any thoughts on how we can fix that?
>
> I think that there is energy but not enough focus on a problem that  
> can be handled by IETF-ers.
>
> On the social side, the IETF has handled protocols; the ones that  
> make the Internet work (e.g., BGP), ones that provide transport for  
> application communications (tpc, udp, tls, etc.), and some (few)  
> that directly link to an application (i.e., ftp and telnet).  My  
> personal opinion is that this is because the IETF encompasses the  
> people who understand the problems that need to be solved in this  
> space and therefore can apply themselves to it.  The management of  
> energy from producer to consumer is a very large field of study  
> which has few current touchpoints with the Intenet and with the IP  
> protocol.  With a few exceptions, I just don't think that this group  
> has the background to start poking at the entirety of this. Perhaps  
> we could get something going by scoping some clearly defined  
> projects, and liasing with other SDOs that are closer to energy  
> management who will need some help with the protocols?
>
> Re: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/recipe/current/msg00006.html
> Your posting suggesting areas of investigation for the home.  While  
> I'd like to see something happening there, I'm not seeing any  
> participation on this list from appliance manufacturors (Whirlpool,  
> LG, etc.) nor from the people who make home energy distribution  
> products (outlets, circuit breakers, meters, etc.).  Without those  
> people, I kind'a feel that we're just guessing about what is  
> possible, and that if we produce a specification we'd have a  
> difficult time getting anyone to implement it. (I'd be happy to be  
> proven wrong. :-)
>
>
>>
>> One important step would be to get the makes of the relevant  
>> devices (and chipsets) involved.
>>
>> Stuart Cheshire <cheshire@apple.com>
>> * Wizard Without Portfolio, Apple Inc.
>> * Internet Architecture Board
>> * www.stuartcheshire.org
>>
>
> I'm not sure where else to go with this at this time.
>
> Regards,
> Chris
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