Re: [regext] Privacy and HR considerations for draft-ietf-regext-verificationcode

Niels ten Oever <lists@digitaldissidents.org> Wed, 19 December 2018 18:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: [regext] Privacy and HR considerations for draft-ietf-regext-verificationcode
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On 12/19/18 6:57 PM, Andrew Newton wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 12:26 PM Niels ten Oever
> <lists@digitaldissidents.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am not quite sure I understand, are you saying an Internet standard is not a norm?
> 
> No, it's a technical specification.
> 

Open technical standards are de facto norms. That something is a technical specification does not mean it is not a norm and vice versa.

> From an ethical point of view, I am not opposed to privacy or human
> rights considerations in IETF documents. But practically speaking, if
> discussions are to break down into meta-conversations on the
> philosophical differences between what is or is not a specification or
> what is or is not policy, I conclude that such efforts are futile and
> a waste of time.

I think the discussion is very concrete, with a concrete text proposal. 

I agree that discussing the distinction between policies and technical specifications is a waste of time because these are overlapping concepts. 

Best,

Niels

> 
> -andy
> 

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Niels ten Oever
Researcher and PhD Candidate
Datactive Research Group
University of Amsterdam

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