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For ease of parsing, search for = =93RW=94. Thanks Rick From: Gould, James Date: Friday, June 24, 2022 at 10:08 AM To: Rick Wilhelm , regext@ietf.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: [regext] I-D Action: draft-ietf-regext-rdap-red= acted-07.txt CAUTION: This email came from outside your organization. Don=92t trust emai= ls, links, or attachments from senders that seem suspicious or you are not = expecting. ________________________________ Rick, Thank you for doing a detailed review of the draft. I include responses to= your feedback embedded below. -- JG [cid:image001.png@01D887B5.A3DA1B40] James Gould Fellow Engineer jgould@Verisign.com 703-948-3271 12061 Bluemont Way Reston, VA 20190 Verisign.com From: Rick Wilhelm Date: Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 4:51 PM To: "regext@ietf.org" , James Gould Cc: "regext@ietf.org" Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] [regext] I-D Action: draft-ietf-regext-r= dap-redacted-07.txt Jim, et al, While there is clearly work going on to determine a direction related to th= e conformance values, I wanted to invest some time to give a careful review= of the current rdap-redacted draft to have it better prepared to progress = after the WG comes to some consensus. JG =96 I also want to get to a target approach for the conformance values. = Look at the mailing list posting https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/reg= ext/fIA70fb4qqQGD9G1u4rk7aKrFTc/ for a break down and example = of each of the approaches. As noted in that message, I prefer Approach C, = but I believe Approach B is a reasonable compromise for Approach A and C. = Please reply to that thread if you have a preference. RW: Will do. Overall, I think that this draft looks really good. I=92m hoping that we c= an figure out the conformance thing soon. In that context, and in the order of the document, here is some feedback. = Most of these are small, trending toward nit. 1. Introduction Regarding: A redacted RDAP field is one that has data removed from the RDAP response due to the lack of client privilege to receive the field. As has been discussed elsewhere and is presented in this document, the conc= ept of =93redaction=94 is broader than =93removal=94 and also includes =93e= dit=94. Additionally, there may be any number of reasons why a response wo= uld be redacted (which would most certainly include =93lack of client privi= lege=94, but could also include other reasons. To that end, I would sugges= t the following edit: A redacted RDAP field is one that has data in the RDAP response edited due to policy, for example, the lack of clie= nt privilege to receive the field. JG =96 I believe that edited is not descriptive enough. How about includin= g the case of replacement and incorporate your more generic language on the= reason with: A redacted RDAP field is one that has data removed or replaced in the RDAP response due to server policy, such as the = lack of client privilege to receive the field. RW: Good upgrade. 3. Redaction Methods Regarding: The redaction of RDAP fields fall into the two categories of Redaction by Removal Method (Section 3.1) and Redaction by Empty Value Method (Section 3.2), defined in the following sub-sections. I think that this paragraph needs updating to account for (the recently add= ed) Section 3.3. As in: The redaction of RDAP fields fall into the two categories of Redaction by Removal Method (Section 3.1), Redaction by Empty Value Method (Section 3.2), and Redaction by Replacement Value Method (Section 3.3), defined in the following sub-sections. JG =96 Good catch. That does need to be updated to cover the three categor= ies. I believe it=92s easy to remove the direct references and simply stat= e: The redaction of RDAP fields fall into the three categories defined in the = following sub-sections. RW: Good upgrade. 3.1 Redaction by Removal Method Nit: Suggest putting a paragraph break before =93An example of redacting= =85=94 in order to better separate the example from the normative text. JG =96 Yes that can be done and it will be more consistent with the other e= xamples. 4.2 =93redacted member=94 Regarding: The "redacted" member MUST be added to the RDAP response when there are redacted fields. Suggest that this is updated to have the MUST unambiguously cover the case = when there is exactly 1 redacted field The "redacted" member MUST be added to the RDAP response when there Is one or more redacted fields. JG =96 That is fine. The =93Is=94 will be a lowercase =93is=94 as in: The "redacted" member MUST be added to the RDAP response when there is one or more redacted fields. RW: Ah yes, that was an auto-correct glitch. Good catch. Regarding: "method": OPTIONAL redaction method used with "removal" indicating the Redaction By Removal Method (Section 3.1), "emptyValue" indicating the Redaction by Empty Value Method (Section 3.2), and "replacementValue" indicating the Redaction by Replacement Value Method (Section 3.3). The default value is "removal" when not provided. I think that there is punctuation needed and a minor ed in the first line t= o improve clarity. Suggested edit: "method": OPTIONAL redaction method used; with one of the following val= ues: "removal" indicating the Redaction By Removal Method (Section 3.1), "emptyValue" indicating the Redaction by Empty Value Method (Section 3.2), and "replacementValue" indicating the Redaction by Replacement Value Method (Section 3.3). The default value is "removal" when not provided. JG =96 Do you believe that the values should be included in a list? I=92m = thinking that it should. RW: If you mean something like this, I think that would be a further impro= vement. (If you are manipulating in-draft text, pls note that I replaced = =93and=94 with =93or=94 between the last two items): "method": OPTIONAL redaction method used; with one of the following values= : - "removal" indicating the Redaction By Removal Method (Section 3.1), - "emptyValue" indicating the Redaction by Empty Value Method (Section = 3.2), or - "replacementValue" indicating the Redaction by Replacement Value Method (Section 3.3). The default value is "removal" when not provided. Hope that helps. Questions welcome. Thanks Rick From: regext on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.or= g Date: Thursday, May 26, 2022 at 1:46 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: regext@ietf.org Subject: [EXTERNAL] [regext] I-D Action: draft-ietf-regext-rdap-redacted-07= .txt CAUTION: This email came from outside your organization. Don=92t trust emai= ls, links, or attachments from senders that seem suspicious or you are not = expecting. A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Registration Protocols Extensions WG of th= e IETF. Title : Redacted Fields in the Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP) Res= ponse Authors : James Gould David Smith Jody Kolker Roger Carney Filename : draft-ietf-regext-rdap-redacted-07.txt Pages : 37 Date : 2022-05-26 Abstract: This document describes an RDAP extension for explicitly identifying redacted RDAP response fields, using JSONPath as the default expression language. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-regext-rdap-redacted/ There is also an HTML version available at: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-regext-rdap-redacted-07.html A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-regext-rdap-redacted-07 Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at rsync.ietf.org::internet-dra= fts _______________________________________________ regext mailing list regext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/regext --_000_BY5PR10MB41793A56E8AA60BFE2CEAEDDC9B49BY5PR10MB4179namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jim,

 

Responses embedded = in the feedback below.  For ease of parsing, search for =93RW=94.=

 

Thanks

Rick

 

 

From: Gould, James <jg= ould@verisign.com>
Date: Friday, June 24, 2022 at 10:08 AM
To: Rick Wilhelm <Rwilhelm@PIR.org>, regext@ietf.org <regex= t@ietf.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: [regext] I-D Action: draft-ietf-regext-r= dap-redacted-07.txt

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Rick,

 

Thank you for doing a detailed review of the dra= ft.  I include responses to your feedback embedded below.<= /o:p>

 

-- 

 

JG




James Gould
Fellow Engineer
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703-948-3271
12061 Bluemont Way
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From: Rick Wilhelm <Rw= ilhelm@PIR.org>
Date: Thursday, June 23, 2022 at 4:51 PM
To: "regext@ietf.org" <regext@ietf.org>, James Gould= <jgould@verisign.com>
Cc: "regext@ietf.org" <regext@ietf.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXTERNAL] [regext] I-D Action: draft-ietf-r= egext-rdap-redacted-07.txt

 

Jim, et al,

 

While there is clearly work going on to determine a direction relat= ed to the conformance values, I wanted to invest some time to give a carefu= l review of the current rdap-redacted draft to have it better prepared to progress after the WG comes to some co= nsensus.

 

JG =96 I also want to get to a target approach f= or the conformance values.  Look at the mailing list posting https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/regext/fIA70fb4qqQGD9G1u4rk7aKrFTc/ for a break down and example of each of the approaches.  As noted i= n that message, I prefer Approach C, but I believe Approach B is a reasonab= le compromise for Approach A and C.  Please reply to that thread if you have a preference.

 

RW:  Will do.<= o:p>

 

Overall, I think that this draft looks really good.  I=92m hop= ing that we can figure out the conformance thing soon.

 

In that context, and in the order of the document, here is some fee= dback.  Most of these are small, trending toward nit.

 

 

1. Introduction

 

Regarding:

 

A redacted RDAP field is one that has data

   removed from the RDAP response due to the lack of clie= nt privilege to

   receive the field.

 

As has been discussed elsewhere and is presented in this document, = the concept of =93redaction=94 is broader than =93removal=94 and also inclu= des =93edit=94.  Additionally, there may be any number of reasons why a response would be redacted (which would most certainly in= clude =93lack of client privilege=94, but could also include other reasons.=   To that end, I would suggest the following edit:

 

A redacted RDAP field is one that has data

   in the RDAP response edited due to policy, for example= , the lack of client privilege to

   receive the field.

 

JG =96 I believe that edited is not descriptive = enough.  How about including the case of replacement and incorporate y= our more generic language on the reason with:

 

A redacted RDAP field is one that has data

removed or replaced in the RDAP response due to server policy, = such as the lack of client privilege to

receive the field.

 

 

RW:  Good upgr= ade.

 <= /o:p>

3. Redaction Methods

 

Regarding:

 

   The redaction of RDAP fields fall into the two categor= ies of

   Redaction by Removal Method (Section 3.1) and Redactio= n by Empty

   Value Method (Section 3.2), defined in the following s= ub-sections.

 

I think that this paragraph needs updating to account for (the rece= ntly added) Section 3.3.  As in:

 

   The redaction of RDAP fields fall into the two categor= ies of

   Redaction by Removal Method (Section 3.1), Redaction b= y Empty

   Value Method (Section 3.2), and Redaction by Replaceme= nt Value

   Method (Section 3.3), defined in the following sub-sec= tions.

 

JG =96 Good catch.&= nbsp; That does need to be updated to cover the three categories.  I b= elieve it=92s easy to remove the direct references and simply state:=

 <= /o:p>

The redaction of RDAP fields fall into the=
 three categories defined in the following sub-sections.<=
/pre>

 


RW:  Good upgr=
ade.


 


3.1 Redaction by Removal Method


 


Nit:  Suggest putting a paragraph break before =93An example o=
f redacting=85=94 in order to better separate the example from the normativ=
e text.


 


JG =96 Yes that can be done and it will be more =
consistent with the other examples. 



 


4.2 =93redacted member=94


 


Regarding:


 


   The "redacted" member MUST be added to the R=
DAP response when there


   are redacted fields.



 


Suggest that this is updated to have the MUST unambiguously cover t=
he case when there is exactly 1 redacted field


 


   The "redacted" member MUST be added to the R=
DAP response when there


   Is one or more redacted fields.



 


JG =96 That is fine.  The =93Is=94 will be =
a lowercase =93is=94 as in:


 


The "redacted" member MUST be ad=
ded to the RDAP response when there


is one or more redacted fields.


 


RW:  Ah yes, t=
hat was an auto-correct glitch.  Good catch.


 


Regarding:


 


   "method":  OPTIONAL redaction method us=
ed with "removal" indicating


       the Redaction By Removal Metho=
d (Section 3.1), "emptyValue"


       indicating the Redaction by Em=
pty Value Method (Section 3.2), and


       "replacementValue" i=
ndicating the Redaction by Replacement Value


       Method (Section 3.3).  Th=
e default value is "removal" when not


       provided.

 


I think that there is punctuation needed and a minor ed in the firs=
t line to improve clarity.  Suggested edit:


 


   "method":  OPTIONAL redaction method us=
ed; with one of the following values: "removal" indicating=



       the Redaction By Removal Metho=
d (Section 3.1), "emptyValue"


       indicating the Redaction by Em=
pty Value Method (Section 3.2), and


       "replacementValue" i=
ndicating the Redaction by Replacement Value


       Method (Section 3.3).  Th=
e default value is "removal" when not


       provided.

 


JG =96 Do you believe that the values should be =
included in a list?  I=92m thinking that it should. 



 


RW:  If you me=
an something like this, I think that would be a further improvement.  =
(If you are manipulating in-draft text, pls note that I replaced =93and=94 =
with =93or=94 between the last two items):


 


=
"method":  OPTIONAL redaction method used; with one of the f=
ollowing values:


=
    - "removal" indicating the Redaction By Remova=
l Method (Section 3.1),


=
    - "emptyValue" indicating the Redaction by Emp=
ty Value Method (Section 3.2), or


=
    - "replacementValue" indicating the Redaction =
by Replacement Value


=
       Method (Section 3.3).


=
  The default value is "removal" when not provided.


 


 


 


Hope that helps.  Questions welcome.


 


Thanks


Rick


 


 





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