Re: [regext] [Ext] Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-regext-data-escrow-07: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

"Gould, James" <jgould@verisign.com> Thu, 07 May 2020 18:47 UTC

Return-Path: <jgould@verisign.com>
X-Original-To: regext@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: regext@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13CA3A08AD; Thu, 7 May 2020 11:47:10 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.998
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=verisign.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G6OMnHLTg9cC; Thu, 7 May 2020 11:47:07 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail5.verisign.com (mail5.verisign.com [69.58.187.31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 940E83A0883; Thu, 7 May 2020 11:47:06 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=verisign.com; l=23184; q=dns/txt; s=VRSN; t=1588877228; h=from:to:cc:date:message-id:mime-version:subject; bh=wTPp+W+/TgJq1OmczZmz85++c52EkUqr4JmZTdX1Lf8=; b=gApiz1w5TAh82WKVgbAd3h/Ux/l3UIXEnl0wMhfe4//jEJM3L/PVVBSI hSSff3ZtbNyw8n/7F/BxxvQeuEtOZ271/A8dpQky+OltPumcF0nmRRCYI e8iXCeYMJl40tAT8h6OynXNGlU1Haq1Kz4STYJCUA2TiuuqrEOZgQpe1/ jFxjZvRfjbc8mUtvxS1g/E0EZIHlwB4DQ8LmM3mXXP/PHeD3A0j3mJZXS nrLilysiDLq1xi5DYC9pChllFfx8aTwpSzXClacoHQ0liMI7P6qgDU99X ep98C0TcWZht/lIUdrV1dS43JZEx3rJLqAUVsCPRgnBd/DTjhUsnxMemB g==;
IronPort-SDR: b3dOHM2KQ9szEon8rUGi+GnBaDQjioRIR77m6KX96uFniF20HbUTdZW4HG1ee6JpBHzKtyD8Sc NxYTbvKwuU4bE4mDXwuwvDdgISxSrx6xQez/tmCUDXEXaeAbPBLdmxmmxBqxWxddYmfBv2wZs+ PPyE4gFfYX4wCypikzTRk4R5moLYpAvqcWpWQiFYFIcsgW8YwvdYJzEQpK34Z7Q4kMPLUtxAOf EX/K+OxLAgu8a3JbnFFUHSO8a97znYVLsihC70v/Q9kw+IeqaMLtM8KBFrfOCGFBFAE4aRIBRM Vvw=
X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.73,364,1583211600"; d="png'150?scan'150,208,217,150";a="1384707"
IronPort-PHdr: =?us-ascii?q?9a23=3A8lvzvBVhlZ1BVvb+GhCcpjdGi2/V8LGtZVwlr6?= =?us-ascii?q?E/grcLSJyIuqrYZRKOvKdThVPEFb/W9+hDw7KP9fy5BCpQud3Y6i1KWacPfi?= =?us-ascii?q?dNsd8RkQ0kDZzNImzAB9muURYHGt9fXkRu5XCxPBsdMs//Y1rPvi/6tmZKSV?= =?us-ascii?q?3wOgVvO+v6BJPZgdip2OCu4Z3TZBhDiCagbb9oIxi6sAXcutMVjId+Jao91w?= =?us-ascii?q?XFr3tVcOlK2G1kIk6ekQzh7cmq5p5j9CpQu/Ml98FeVKjxYro1Q79FAjk4Km?= =?us-ascii?q?45/MLkuwXNQguJ/XscT34ZkgFUDAjf7RH1RYn+vy3nvedgwiaaPMn2TbcpWT?= =?us-ascii?q?S+6qpgVRHlhDsbOzM/7WrajNF7gqBGrxK7vxFxw5DabpyJNPRwfa3Sc9IaSn?= =?us-ascii?q?ZOUctKTSxNHoa8YpETA+cbP+tVqZT2qVsUrRu5AAmhHO3jxD5Phn/r2a01zv?= =?us-ascii?q?wtGhzC0gM6GtIBrm/UoNvoP6oVU+C1w67IzSjHb/xLwjr99pbHcgogofGXXL?= =?us-ascii?q?JwfszRxVMzGAPCi1WdsIroNC6a2eoRqWaU9fZgVf6xhG49rQF8uiSiy8Qsh4?= =?us-ascii?q?THhY8YyU7J+CZ3zospKtC2R0F2bcCqHpZNtCyUN5V7T8EsTm9mtys0xb4Lt5?= =?us-ascii?q?60ciULxpkr2xrSZv6BfoOV7BzjU+ORLi15hHJjYL+/mQi98VKhyu3nV8m031?= =?us-ascii?q?BKritDktbQrHwCyxvT6s2BR/Bg/UmhwS6C2x3P5u1ePEw5l6TWJ4Q8zrMwmJ?= =?us-ascii?q?cfq0vOEyzulEnrkKOabFgo9+q05+j9f7nrqZyRO5Vphgz9NKklh9axDv4iMg?= =?us-ascii?q?cUWmiW4eG81Lr+8kLnWLhKlfg2krXBsJDdOMQbura1Aw9L3YYn7BayFyqr3s?= =?us-ascii?q?gAk3UaLF1LYB2JgIn1N13TOvz4E+uwg1O2kDdz3fzJJKDuDo/TLnjZi7fhe6?= =?us-ascii?q?xx5FJbyAo21dxf5pRUBa8dIP/rR0P9qMbUAgI7PgG62errFdVw240EVW+AAa?= =?us-ascii?q?KVKKbSvkWJ5uIrLemMfogVuDPlJvgn6P7uimI5mVsAcqSyw5sYdmq4HvV9I0?= =?us-ascii?q?WYbnrshM0NHnsNvgo7VODqkkGNUSZPZ3auWKIx/is7B568AofZQICinryA0T?= =?us-ascii?q?y0Hp1Re29JEE2DHmrodomeR/gMbyeSKNd7kjMYTbihV5Mh1Ra2uQ/hy7pnKe?= =?us-ascii?q?7U+ikGupLlz9d6+fHclRIq+DF7E8idzX+CT3t1nmMTRj8206Z/rVZhxVeE1K?= =?us-ascii?q?h1mOFXFdlJ6PNTTgg2L5/cwPJmC9D8QA7Bec2JSFm+SNW8HT4xVs4xw8MJY0?= =?us-ascii?q?tlANqtlArD3zCqAr8RibOLBYc7/bjH0nftIMZ9zm7G1LQ9j1Y4WMtDL2qmhr?= =?us-ascii?q?Rw9wLLHY7Gj12Zl7q2daQbxCPN7mmCzWuKvEFEVw5wV73IUH8DakTKrNT5/V?= =?us-ascii?q?/NT7i0Bbs7NQtBzNWPJbZPatLzl1VJWO3vONXAbGKtlWe8HxGIxqmDbIDyYW?= =?us-ascii?q?USwD3dCFQYkwAU5XuGLxYxBii/rGPREDxiDE7gY0P2/ul/snO7VVQ5zwCUYE?= =?us-ascii?q?192bq54BkVheaTS/kLxLILpD8hqyloHFa6x9/WCsSPpxFufKhHYNMy/ktH1W?= =?us-ascii?q?zDuwx6JJygILhohkQCfARvo0PuyxJ3B51Pkcg3t3Mq0BB9Kbyf0F9bczOY2p?= =?us-ascii?q?HxNafRKmn15x2varLZ1UvY0NaQ4KsP7+44q1r7tgGzCkUi62ln08VS03aE/J?= =?us-ascii?q?XFEgUSXoz+U0Yr7BV6pq/VYjUz54/O0n1sK6a0uCfY2901HOsl1gqgf9BHPa?= =?us-ascii?q?yZDg/9CcMaB9S3JOwrhVepchwEMPlI9KEqMMOpafSH2LKyMOl9hj2mkX5I7J?= =?us-ascii?q?lj3UKX6yV8UOnI3pgezvGZwASHSzn8gE2mssDtloAXLQ0VSyClwiH+AoNATq?= =?us-ascii?q?J1cY8HBXboKMqyjJ0qnZXkQXhV5XasAF8P1MO4PxGVagq5lUdL1UMTpXGhky?= =?us-ascii?q?azzGkoyy8ktKuE3SPIhe/lcTILP2dRTy9jgEviZ4+ugJpSCFOoaAwtmR2v6E?= =?us-ascii?q?35kvQDuqllLnLSTkEOdC/zB21nW7G78LuPf8AJ74kn52EfGu61e0qLTrP8qR?= =?us-ascii?q?Iy2CTmB3ZCySp9cCul8N2tlRVgknOZIXd5pVLSfsRo2AvS/prbX/EHmnJMXj?= =?us-ascii?q?Z5jSXQAA3gZ9Ko5t6T0ZzEt8iyUmu7XdtSfDXli4Sau2HzsXd1ABmjmPbmxo?= =?us-ascii?q?XsEBMx1mnw0NxCWSDBth26Y4T32eK9K+0xLWdyA1qpoeV9B4Vy1sMSjZQdwj?= =?us-ascii?q?JS0pea+mcDnU/tPM9awqPxajwGQjtdkI2d2xTsxEA2diHB/In+THjImsY=3D?=
X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2E8AADPVrRe/zCZrQpjAxwBAQEBAQEHAQESAQEEBAEBg?= =?us-ascii?q?XQGAQELAYEkgXSBMgqEGoFdjy6DEGKVcxSBKxcdCAQHAQEBAQEBAQEBAwEDA?= =?us-ascii?q?RgBCQ0EAQECg31FAheCFTUIDgIDAQELAQEBBQEBAQEBBQMBAQEChj8Mgjsid?= =?us-ascii?q?zwJOQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEEAggFA?= =?us-ascii?q?jQZBQI1EgEBHQEBAQEDAQEDAR0CCAFACwwGAQgRAwEBAQYBAQEbBwIEBRABD?= =?us-ascii?q?gELHQoEAQ0EAQYIgxgBgwuvUXaBMoQ5AYYYEIE4AYMNhDiFGIFCPoERJxyCT?= =?us-ascii?q?T6CZwEBAoEuARIBOAkBHQmCSzOCLQSRCzyGHoE4jnmCfYdMAweCSYZfAoE3i?= =?us-ascii?q?lWFUoMPW5lKHY4zgUyIGw52OJNRAgQCBAUCFYFUAYEdcHAVOyoBgj4JRxgNk?= =?us-ascii?q?B4wFxWDOoUUhUJ0AgEKASYDAgYIAQEDCZEJgRABAQ?=
Received: from BRN1WNEX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (10.173.153.48) by BRN1WNEX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (10.173.153.48) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Thu, 7 May 2020 14:47:03 -0400
Received: from BRN1WNEX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([fe80::a89b:32d6:b967:337d]) by BRN1WNEX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([fe80::a89b:32d6:b967:337d%5]) with mapi id 15.01.1913.005; Thu, 7 May 2020 14:47:03 -0400
From: "Gould, James" <jgould@verisign.com>
To: "rcarney@godaddy.com" <rcarney@godaddy.com>, "shollenbeck=40verisign.com@dmarc.ietf.org" <shollenbeck=40verisign.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "barryleiba@computer.org" <barryleiba@computer.org>, "rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org" <rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
CC: "regext-chairs@ietf.org" <regext-chairs@ietf.org>, "iesg@ietf.org" <iesg@ietf.org>, "gustavo.lozano@icann.org" <gustavo.lozano@icann.org>, "regext@ietf.org" <regext@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-regext-data-escrow@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-regext-data-escrow@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [EXTERNAL] Re: [regext] [Ext] Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-regext-data-escrow-07: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
Thread-Index: AQHWJJ/lyy99wdZAwUa/k0MGr892Bw==
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 18:47:03 +0000
Message-ID: <65A75779-E2F4-429C-86A4-40EF97D4C59E@verisign.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach: yes
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/10.10.15.200413
x-originating-ip: [10.170.148.18]
Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_65A75779E2F4429C86A440EF97D4C59Everisigncom_"; type="multipart/alternative"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/regext/sJFpY5kmzy3AvLjncWQa7w4gI7s>
Subject: Re: [regext] [Ext] Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-regext-data-escrow-07: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
X-BeenThere: regext@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Registration Protocols Extensions <regext.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/regext>, <mailto:regext-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/regext/>
List-Post: <mailto:regext@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:regext-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/regext>, <mailto:regext-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 May 2020 18:47:12 -0000

+1

--

JG

[cid:image001.png@01D255E2.EB933A30]

James Gould
Fellow Engineer
jgould@Verisign.com<applewebdata://13890C55-AAE8-4BF3-A6CE-B4BA42740803/jgould@Verisign.com>

703-948-3271
12061 Bluemont Way
Reston, VA 20190

Verisign.com<http://verisigninc.com/>

From: Roger Carney <rcarney@godaddy.com>
Date: Thursday, May 7, 2020 at 2:42 PM
To: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck=40verisign.com@dmarc.ietf.org>rg>, "barryleiba@computer.org" <barryleiba@computer.org>rg>, "rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org" <rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: James Gould <jgould@verisign.com>om>, "regext-chairs@ietf.org" <regext-chairs@ietf.org>rg>, "iesg@ietf.org" <iesg@ietf.org>rg>, Gustavo Lozano <gustavo.lozano@icann.org>rg>, "regext@ietf.org" <regext@ietf.org>rg>, "draft-ietf-regext-data-escrow@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-regext-data-escrow@ietf.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [regext] [Ext] Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-regext-data-escrow-07: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

+1 Scott.



________________________________
From: regext <regext-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Hollenbeck, Scott <shollenbeck=40verisign.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 12:53 PM
To: barryleiba@computer.org <barryleiba@computer.org>rg>; rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org <rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: Gould, James <jgould@verisign.com>om>; regext-chairs@ietf.org <regext-chairs@ietf.org>rg>; iesg@ietf.org <iesg@ietf.org>rg>; gustavo.lozano@icann.org <gustavo.lozano@icann.org>rg>; regext@ietf.org <regext@ietf.org>rg>; draft-ietf-regext-data-escrow@ietf.org <draft-ietf-regext-data-escrow@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [regext] [Ext] Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-regext-data-escrow-07: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Notice: This email is from an external sender.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: regext <regext-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Barry Leiba
> Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 1:37 PM
> To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
> Cc: Gould, James <jgould@verisign.com>om>; regext-chairs@ietf.org; The IESG
> <iesg@ietf.org>rg>; Gustavo Lozano <gustavo.lozano@icann.org>rg>;
> regext@ietf.org; draft-ietf-regext-data-escrow@ietf.org
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [regext] [Ext] Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-
> regext-data-escrow-07: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
>
> I'm afraid I have to agree with Gustavo that the terms used here need to
> match what's used in the domain this is written for.  It's often the case that
> things mean different things in different domains, and sometimes those
> domains are similar enough that we wish it weren't the case.  When it is,
> that's sad... but.
>
> Unless someone in the working group wants to tell us that Gustavo is wrong
> and we should go with what Rob suggests, I think the discussion has been
> had.  I *would* like to hear some input from the working group on this,
> though, before we make any final decisions.

A description of the terms tied to their use in the document really should be sufficient.

Scott
_______________________________________________
regext mailing list
regext@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/regext<https://secure-web.cisco.com/1EvBdAuTh6SeIjTasIIGXwv8kKVDSLyt0_qT29j2WvMNxj8lBobpFge1St5yqvN7Zv_RuzvkCiMIx_mZ1oXG70mBsIjbmmoOjLKs3M57KzrpZ_eBlOUeJZKquyJMt25qLWjFVQcPO20KJto1AN7TJPB7joJYGqbM8-pBlMtJLwnn25SHl9dvOBxTt6mwrm-HXoCTrfieu6S2bBDzQMxGPkDtdUJLOhydh3qyKa32gyxWrKIfgX7SxOzE_Y8RwyMrYfqUm61iYqKZie2L3NjRoEg/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fregext>