Re: [regext] TLD Phase Discovery

Jody Kolker <jkolker@godaddy.com> Mon, 07 August 2017 16:53 UTC

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From: Jody Kolker <jkolker@godaddy.com>
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Thanks Thomas.

Comments below - JWK.

Thanks,
Jody Kolker



-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Corte [mailto:Thomas.Corte@knipp.de] 
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2017 11:46 AM
To: Jody Kolker <jkolker@godaddy.com>; Gould, James <jgould@verisign.com>; regext@ietf.org
Cc: support@tango-rs.com
Subject: Re: [regext] TLD Phase Discovery

Hello Jody,

On 07/08/2017 18:27, Jody Kolker wrote:

> In this paragraph, it sounds like the domain:create command does not need a fee to be sent into create the premium domain.  It only needs the correct phase?  Is that correct?

Yes, requiring registrars to specify the correct phase was exactly our approach to preventing the accidental registration of expensive names.

It seemed like a natural solution at the time - the fee extension didn't seem mature (and widespread) enough to be used, and launch phases allowed us to essentially introduce domain/tariff categories without the need for yet another proprietary extension, which we're trying to avoid as much as possible.


Later, when the fee extension seemed suitable, we added it as an
*alternative* to the launch phase extension. I.e., a registrar can now
*either* provide the correct phase *or* supply the expected fees (or both). Yet with the latest changes to the fee extension, our server can no longer truthfully report correct fees since the registrar would have to know the right phase up front, creating a chicken-egg problem.
---  JWK
When a domain is sold to a customer, a check command is sent first to determine the availability.  That check command can be sent without any phase attributes.  
According to the spec when this is done the phase that is currently active would be returned in the response.  
The returned phase would then be used for the create command, resolving the chicken and egg problem, unless I'm missing something (entirely possible).

Does that sound correct?
--- JWK



> In your implementation, is the premium phase specified in the "phase" attribute or in the "subphase" attribute?

Both approaches are possible, entirely "custom" phases or sub-phases of a standard phase.

Best regards,

Thomas

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