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Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms010205010100060307060706" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Resolverless-dns] Paper on Resolver-less DNS X-BeenThere: resolverless-dns@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Resolverless DNS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 19:09:21 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010205010100060307060706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-GB Hi Ralf, On 8/17/19 23:13, Ralf Weber wrote > The majority of DNS resolvers for end users are still run by ISPs and > Telcos. In that paper you reference the only company that can be seen > as an ISP is Level3, although there resolver in contrast to mosts ISPs > is open. The other are the usual open resolver vendors. So this paper > clearly misses a large part of the resolver population. > > And my experiences with ISPs and Telkos is that they are, probably > because most of them are regulated very sensitive to privacy and > data analysis for marketing and advertising. A lot of them do or > let others do analytics on their data, mostly after being anonymised, > for security purposes, but not more. Nonetheless, there exists empirical evidence that several popular ISPs and Telcos sold data on their customers' online activities to advertising companies [1,2,3]. Thus, it is plausible that these ISPs and Telcos use their DNS resolver to aggregate such user profiles. Note, that features such as Encrypted Server Name Indication (ESNI) for TLS will make the aggregation of such user data based on the analysis of network traffic more difficult. Thus, for ISPs aiming to monitor the users' online activities, the DNS resolver may become an increasingly important source of such user data. Erik 1: http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2014/db0903/DOC-3= 29127A1.pdf 2: https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/public_comments/2015/09/00008-= 97486.pdf 3: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=3D10.1.1.700.4721&rep=3D= rep1&type=3Dpdf --------------ms010205010100060307060706 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC ERMwggUSMIID+qADAgECAgkA4wvV+K8l2YEwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQAwgYIxCzAJBgNVBAYT AkRFMSswKQYDVQQKDCJULVN5c3RlbXMgRW50ZXJwcmlzZSBTZXJ2aWNlcyBHbWJIMR8wHQYD VQQLDBZULVN5c3RlbXMgVHJ1c3QgQ2VudGVyMSUwIwYDVQQDDBxULVRlbGVTZWMgR2xvYmFs Um9vdCBDbGFzcyAyMB4XDTE2MDIyMjEzMzgyMloXDTMxMDIyMjIzNTk1OVowgZUxCzAJBgNV BAYTAkRFMUUwQwYDVQQKEzxWZXJlaW4genVyIEZvZXJkZXJ1bmcgZWluZXMgRGV1dHNjaGVu 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