Re: [rfc-i] Updates solution that you object to (was Re: draft-kuehlewind-update-tag/)
Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net> Fri, 03 April 2020 20:18 UTC
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From: Pete Resnick <resnick@episteme.net>
To: Joseph Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
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Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Updates solution that you object to (was Re: draft-kuehlewind-update-tag/)
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On 29 Mar 2020, at 16:45, Joseph Touch wrote: > We’re still waiting to hear why this is needed. > > The IESG appears to have anecdotal evidence of the need for a > significant change to document marking but we have see NO evidence > that this is anything but a corner-case issue that will continue to be > a (possibly different) corner-case issue. Not to be too snarky, but you want the IESG to spend time documenting more precisely how often the arguments about the Updates field come up that they say they are spending too much time on? I can (anecdotally) say that from my experience on the IESG, it occurred approximately every other telechat, and that there were at least a few messages prior to telechat and occasionally a few minutes of the telechat itself for each one of these. The arguments came down to that people were using "Updates" when they meant "See Also", which wastes the time of implementers who are looking for real information on how the supposed "update" might affect their implementation. The use of "Updates" as "See Also" have now become so common that it has diminished the value of the header, because it's anybody's guess whether one will find useful information by clicking the link or not, that it's worth abandoning the current "Updates" and starting with one or more new headers that will have useful semantic value. The plural of "anecdote" is still not "data", but the fact that numerous ADs (current and past) have been annoyed by this, given the number of other things ADs have on their minds day-to-day, gives at least some indication that this is something more than a corner-case. I think Suresh did a bit of work checking to see the present uses of "Updates". I think it would be hard to find data on how often and "Updated-by:" link was clicked on the tools site or the RFC Editor and the person who clicked on it yelled, "That's not an update! Why are you wasting my time!" Many folks have said that their impression is this is a problem. Impressions can be wrong. Joe, if you'd like to go collect the data and show whether or not the impressions are wrong, have at it. But this is a lightweight enough change for what appears to be a useful feature that I think it's worth pursuing one of the plausible options, whether one finds the particular proposal or some other variant the most appealing. pr -- Pete Resnick https://www.episteme.net/ All connections to the world are tenuous at best _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest
- [rfc-i] Updates solution that you object to (was … Michael Richardson
- Re: [rfc-i] Updates solution that you object to (… Joseph Touch
- Re: [rfc-i] Updates solution that you object to (… Pete Resnick