Re: [rfc-i] [irsg] Re: 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF work (was: Re: Chair/datatracker tracking expired WG documents ?)
Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@nomountain.net> Mon, 28 March 2022 16:16 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rfc-i] [irsg] Re: 3rd party SDO cross-referencing of IETF work
(was: Re: Chair/datatracker tracking expired WG documents ?)
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On 3/25/22 12:55 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Why should we care if some other SDO is happy to publish a "standard" > with a normative dependency on a document whose preamble includes these > words [ ... ]: Right - that seems completely outside our purview. What is a relevant question, I think, from an information management perspective, is whether or not expired drafts have stable identifiers and stable locations. That can be useful for us, aside from the matter of what other organizations do or do not do. Melinda -- Melinda Shore melinda.shore@nomountain.net Software longa, hardware brevis _______________________________________________ rfc-interest mailing list rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org https://mailman.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest
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